Obstructionism: the ultimate trump card?

@coluber2001,

Yea. He's telling everybody what a good boy he was. What exactly is that supposed to prove? I really want to know that.

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@livinglava,

I’m not talking anything about partisan. If republicans keep power or get it again as long as McConnel isn’t in charge.

As long as McConnel is there; 400 days for every nominee.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

I’m not talking anything about partisan. If republicans keep power or get it again as long as McConnel isn’t in charge.

As long as McConnel is there; 400 days for every nominee.

How is that not partisan retaliation for blocking Obama's nominee? It is reasonable to prevent an outgoing president from appointing a supreme court justice, isn't it?

If Trump loses the next election, do you think it would be right for him to hastily choose a supreme court justice or should the next elected president nominate?

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@livinglava,

If McConnel is the majority leader then I think all of Trumps nominees should have to wait 400 days.

If it’s someone else (republican or Democrat), I think the president (whomever they are) should nominate, and the Senate should confirm within 90 days (provided documents, etc are provided as requested following norms).

If there is a new president (not election) within the 90 day window then the senate could wait until the new president was seated.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

If McConnel is the majority leader then I think all of Trumps nominees should have to wait 400 days.

If it’s someone else (republican or Democrat), I think the president (whomever they are) should nominate, and the Senate should confirm within 90 days (provided documents, etc are provided as requested following norms).

If there is a new president (not election) within the 90 day window then the senate could wait until the new president was seated.

So you want government to involve retaliating against people for rules they make by maintaining those rules until they step down? That's insane. That's like having a monarchy where individuals are regarded as the source of authority instead of justice.

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@livinglava,

Quote livinglava:

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Don't you think that when someone claims to be a victim in a way that has political and/or financial effects, people should question whether they are crying 'crocodile tears' to achieve a certain goal or outcome?

Both you and KingReef have spent the last few posts running down victims of sexual assault. Yes, it is conceivable that some reports of sexual assault are not truthful, but now conservatives are coming down on people who most likely were so assaulted. Saying so what you were assaulted, get over it already, it's your own damn fault you have been permanently affected.

Of course, all the evidence indicates that the effect lasts for many years, that is why many victims cannot deal with bringing their assaulter to trial.

Both you and KingReef are just proving what I've been saying all along:

Misogyny is a pillar of the Republican Party.

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@Blickers,

No matter what happened there, as you are painfully aware, Trump is not lying himself out of office.

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@livinglava,

I think what McConnel did was a massive shift in the norms in our Senate. I think it was a massive dereliction of duty and one that as long as McConnel is in charge, his Senate should follow his president. Or at least the Democrats should try to insist on that.

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@coluber2001,

I suppose you made your post before the end of the session. He did say he would submit to a polygraph test. He said he would do anything.

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@KingReef,

No, he did not. He did not answer whether he would agree to an FBI investigation. That silence told me he was guilty as charged. Don't forget his past history. He has lied to the Senate, an impeachable offense.
From Vox. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/24/17893134/brett-kavanaugh-sexual-assault-allegation-dishonest

From his public remarks to his congressional testimony, he’s awfully dishonest.
By Matthew Yglesias@[email protected] Sep 24, 2018, 10:20am EDT

My note: Don't forget, today is September 27, 2018. The above article is dated September 24, 2018.

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@KingReef,

KingReef wrote:

I wanted to show that someone who was sexually assaulted, even a couple of times when I thought I was going to die (I was a kid), doesn't have to play the victim, or feed people who want to use you for political gain. We don't have to sit in our stink and never get over it. The Democrats are feeding a monster, and I know they are using that woman the same way they used the kids in the Parkland shooting. They instigate a way of thinking, and get those kids to promote their anti-Constitutional sentiment. All the while standing on the graves of those who died.

The Democrats turn tragedy into their own political gain. Or so they think.

I'm sorry for the pain you must have experienced in your youth and going forward. But to say you are over it, well, it's crystal clear it still haunts you. You've made a life for yourself despite some very bad things happening to you. And for that, I do commend you.

Having said that, your experience and how you handle it is purely up to you. Your anger about the system that may or may not have failed you is not just a Democratic or Republican stance. Not one victim "plays" a victim, they ARE a victim. No more or no less than any body else.

Somehow you have distanced yourself to the extent that it makes you indifferent to anybody else's suffering. I see through that as a mechanism to make sure you can't be hurt by any thing at any time. You may want to seek some counseling for that.

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@cicerone imposter,

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No, he did not. He did not answer whether he would agree to an FBI investigation. That silence told me he was guilty as charged. Don't forget his past history. He has lied to the Senate, an impeachable offense.

If his silence told you that, then the Salem Witch Trials are something you agree with.

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@neptuneblue,

You did pretty good until you said this:
Somehow you have distanced yourself to the extent that it makes you indifferent to anybody else's suffering. I see through that as a mechanism to make sure you can't be hurt by any thing at any time. You may want to seek some counseling for that.

I am not indifferent to any one else's suffering. You are jumping to conclusions.

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@KingReef,

It's just a personal observation. I don't claim to have all the answers.

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@KingReef,

No, he never said he would submit to a polygraph test. Nobody asked him that. The question was asked if he had taken a polygraph test to which he said no.

He evaded answering whether he would call for an FBI investigation. At one point he became so flustered he almost broke down crying, and Grassley rescued him.

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@coluber2001,

That was the main question that answered his guilt. If he really wanted to prove his innocence, he would have demanded an FBI investigation. He can fool republicans that he performed well, but that's because they are blind to seeking the truth.

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@KingReef,

This is not the Salem witch trials. This is the 21st century in real time that anyone with a tv can watch. Fact: The majority of women who are sexually assaulted do not report it. It is estimated that two-thirds of victims do not report it. Even if they do, a very small number is actually prosecuted. That's the reason women/girls do not report sexual assault. That you seem to be a supporter of men who commit sexual assault is bothersome at best, but that's me.

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@KingReef,

It was a great performance by Kavanaugh. He was such a great goddamn liar he would make Trump proud. Now it's up to the Senate. And if the Senate approves of him then it's up to Avenatti to make good on his threats. Of course Avenatti just said he might file charges against Kavanaugh. There's nothing definite.
Wouldn't that be something? Both the executive and Justice branches investigated.

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@coluber2001,

Okay, let's see what happens. I think Kavanaugh is innocent. I think Ford lied, put on a show.

https://bombardsbodylanguage.com/2018/09/28/body-language-brett-kavanaugh-hearing-accuser-dr-christine-blasey-ford/

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@Blickers,

Blickers wrote:

Quote livinglava:

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Don't you think that when someone claims to be a victim in a way that has political and/or financial effects, people should question whether they are crying 'crocodile tears' to achieve a certain goal or outcome?

Both you and KingReef have spent the last few posts running down victims of sexual assault. Yes, it is conceivable that some reports of sexual assault are not truthful, but now conservatives are coming down on people who most likely were so assaulted. Saying so what you were assaulted, get over it already, it's your own damn fault you have been permanently affected.

Of course, all the evidence indicates that the effect lasts for many years, that is why many victims cannot deal with bringing their assaulter to trial.

Both you and KingReef are just proving what I've been saying all along:

Misogyny is a pillar of the Republican Party.

First, you are lumping me together with someone else who thinks differently that I do. Second, it is not misogyny to question the crocodile tears of victimhood-power abusers, because men do it as well as women. Third, responding to partisan solicitations for you to use your victimhood as part of their war against an individual or party is not the same thing as bringing someone to trial. That's like saying a woman who finally gives in to prostitution or acting in pornographic movies is finally becoming sexually liberated after years of repression and fear. These victims are being objectified for a second time by exploiting their stories for political gain. It is like being raped and then later being offered money to sell video footage of your abuse. That is different from prosecuting and convicting your abuser/attacker for non-political/financial motives.

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