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Pressure building for national language

 
 
au1929
 
Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 11:13 am
Pressure building for national language


By Stephen Dinan
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


America is awash in foreign languages, even in rural areas, and some members of Congress say that is building support to declare English the nation's official language.
U.S. English Inc., an advocacy group working for a declaration that English is the official language, says it found that 322 languages are spoken in the country, and 24 of those languages are spoken in every state and the District. California has the most languages spoken, with 207, while Wyoming had the fewest with 56.

Their report, released last week, follows closely Rep. Steve King's introduction of an official-English bill in the House, and sets the stage for Mr. King's renewed push for the legislation. The Iowa Republican says the time is right to move forward.
"The big reason is, this is the second Bush term. There were folks out there that didn't want to put the president in a spot where he would have had to make a decision like this," Mr. King says, and now that the president no longer has to seek re-election, "there's no reason to back away so the White House doesn't have controversy."
K.C. McAlpin, executive director of ProEnglish, another group that supports the bill, says the Republican and conservative gains in both the House and Senate last election help -- particularly among some of the freshman Republican senators.
"The support for this amendment is bipartisan, but there's no question the strongest support comes from Republicans," Mr. McAlpin says.
He says pressure might come from the states now that 27 states have made English the official language for government business and another five are considering bills to do so. "There's a clear majority of states that have declared that, and if these other states come on board, we could be approaching 50 states in a few years," Mr. McAlpin says.
Brent A. Wilkes, national executive director of League of United Latin American Citizens, one of the groups that opposes the bill, says nothing is likely to happen this year.
"I think it's even less likely because the president is against it, and almost all the Democrats are against it, and even a majority of Republicans don't support the measure," he says. "I think the reason for that is, it's really just a slap in the face. It doesn't really do anything to promote English learning."
A better solution than legislation, he says, would be to offer more English classes to teach immigrants.
Mr. King's bill would require the federal government to conduct business in English, but would not put restrictions on languages spoken in private business dealings. Polls show overwhelming support among Americans for making English the official language, and Mr. King's bill has about 60 co-sponsors.
Mr. King has been a supporter for years, even before he was first elected to Congress in 2002. It was the first bill he shepherded through the Iowa Senate, and honed his arguments during his six-year successful fight to get the bill passed there. "I've found a tremendous amount of energy on this in Iowa, and I don't think Iowa is different from the rest of the country."
A similar bill passed the House in 1996, but died in the Senate, and no bill has passed either chamber since that time.
"It comes down to this -- a common language is the most powerful, unifying force ever known throughout all history of humanity," he says. "We need to be, and remain, a unified people."
Mr. Wilkes says most immigrants know that those who speak English have higher earnings, and if that isn't an incentive to learn English, legislation won't be an incentive, either.
He says immigrants want to learn English, and are doing better than past generations in the pace of learning. "It used to take three generations for immigrants to pick up English and have it as language of choice," he says. "It's now two generations."

What are your thoughts regarding the making of English the official language of the US.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 11:16 am
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What are your thoughts regarding the making of English the official language of the US?


It's a waste of time at best, and closet racism at worst.

From the article:

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"I think the reason for that is, it's really just a slap in the face. It doesn't really do anything to promote English learning."




Cycloptichorn
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 11:24 am
Cycloptichorn
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It's a waste of time at best, and closet racism at worst.


Whether it is a waste of time or not I could not say. However, calling it racism is shear and utter nonsense. This is the US and English whether official or not is the language of the land. Is it any different from French being the language of France or German the language of Germany or etc.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 11:26 am
No, it's not any different. But, if it doesn't change anything to make the language official, why bother, other than to make a point?

Cycloptichorn
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 11:32 am
Is it any different from French being the language of France or German the language of Germany or etc.

Yes. You borrowed it from us and you still haven't returned it. I doubt I'll even recognise it when you've finished with it.
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 11:32 am
Cycloptichorn.
Is there any reason why we should not. face it English is the unofficial, official language of the US. I wonder how many citizens are unaware of the fact that English is not the language of the US.
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 11:38 am
Steve
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Yes. You borrowed it from us and you still haven't returned it. I doubt I'll even recognize it when you've finished with it.


Yes, but we refined it and made it much more understandable. :wink: And Indeed, American style English has become the standard around the world.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 11:44 am
Si Ud no puede entender las idiomas que hablamos en nuestro pais diverso es su cosa. Su ignorancia no es mi problema. Pero no hay razon para poner sus limtaciones en la ley.

Ingles es la idioma de Inglaterra. Recuerde que hablamos Espanol in los EEUU por muchos anos antes de Ingles, y hubo otras idiomas que hablaron antes. Hoy mucho gente aqui sin raices Ingleses.

Pero no se preocupe. Los ciudanos tienen el derecho a votar, y nadie va a permitir que quites nuestros derechos.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 11:45 am
Au

I don't think there's anything really wrong with it, but I don't think it really changes things other than in a textbook describing America somewhere, so why are elected officials wasting taxpayer dollars talking about it, if it doesn't really change anything?

I kind of like the idea that we don't have an official language, even though everyone speaks English. Seems inclusive.

I don't have a problem with them making it official other than the fact I think it's a silly distinction Smile

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 11:53 am
I think we have more important things that should be taking up discussion time in congress.
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 12:04 pm
ebrown_p
I surprisingly I believe I understood most of what you wrote. Surprisingly because it is sixty years since I studied Spanish in High school. About Spanish predating English. I would remained you that Spanish no more than English is native to the "New World" were that the criteria we should all be speaking the language of the native American?
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 12:07 pm
McGentrix
Yeah, like baseball and steroids :wink:
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 12:12 pm
My vote is for no national language-- not Spanish not English and not Navajo. Our diversity is one of the things that makes our nation great.

We routinely get important government documents including recently census forms, school notices and medical outpatient records, in Spanish, Portugues, English and Hatian creole.

We get these because these are the native languages of important parts of my community.

The government is supposed to serve the community, and this is an important part of this.

What is the problem with government being responsive to its people?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 12:17 pm
English is not just the language of England ebrown.

El inglés es la lengua del mundo
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 12:18 pm
How would making American English the official language of the USA change anything?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 12:19 pm
Es verdad, amigo.

Cycloptichorn
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 12:25 pm
Bien dicho Brownie.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 12:48 pm
That article says California has the most languages spoken with 207. Bullshit.

I lived in Queens, and I'd be willing to bet my left "juevo" that there are more than that many languages spoken there.
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CerealKiller
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 01:21 pm
I don't think there's any harm in people speaking various languages, but I do think that it would be advantageous to have one official language so that we don't have to print 330 versions of every street sign.

I know we have a lot of Spanish speakers in America, but is there really a large presence of other languages? We have a decently large Asian population, but I can't say I've heard much French, Russian or Swahili being spoken in this country.....at least not where I live.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 01:25 pm
I think that it will take a lawsuit against the government for not posting a "stop" sign or some such thing in whatever language to get the ball rolling on the national language thing.
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