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John McCain, ‘maverick’ of the Senate and former POW, dies at 81

 
 
camlok
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2018 05:00 pm
@Baldimo,
A serious conflict of interest, Baldimo. It's not surprising that you can see it or you lie about it.

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Considering the history of North Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh, I laugh at your use of the word independence. He was a Communist dictator who had no intentions of holding elections to unite Vietnam and instead invaded his neighbor because he knew his political views would never win a free election, just like "free elections" never take place in socialist/communist countries.


Your ignorance is astounding. Eisenhower knew that some 80 to 90 % of the people of Vietnam would vote for Ho so the US scuttled planned elections. That included the people of the south.

Ho said he would be any political stripe if it meant the independence of his country. All one has to do is look at the evil of the USA in SE Asia to know that independence and freedom are not what the US ever brings to any country.

Cambodia, a million slaughter by the war criminals Nixon and Kissinger and all the other military personnel, US, Australian, ... who helped. Laos, 750,000 slaughtered, Indonesia, over a million, from US planned, funded and run death squads. Korea, over three million US deaths from planned saturation bombing of civilians, the same evil thing McCain did.

Now that's freedom, ain't it, Baldimo??!!!

The same for Latin America from way way back. US dictatorships, or US governors, and the rape and pillage of their lands.


camlok
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2018 05:07 pm
@maxdancona,
This is a thread about how people should not be celebrating a war criminal who was never brought to justice, Max.

A war criminal who got to live a full life. That isn't the case for some 6 million innocents murdered by scum like McCain.

Your propaganda is sickening. Your lack of evidence or the truth is as it always is, nonexistent.

Setanta, in his post, acknowledges all these US war crimes, terrorism, genocides, ... . His idea is only that other countries war crimes, terrorism, genocides, ... should also be discussed and acknowledged.

On this I couldn't agree more.

But you are satisfied with keeping them all hidden. Isn't that Nazi like evil?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2018 05:21 pm
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/27/full-text-john-mccains-farewell-statement-797487

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A final statement from Sen. John McCain, who died Saturday at 81

My fellow Americans, whom I have gratefully served for 60 years, and especially my fellow Arizonians, thank you for the privilege of serving you and for the rewarding life that service in uniform and in public office has allowed me to lead. I've tried to serve our country honorably. I've made mistakes, but I hope my love for America will be weighed favorably against them. I've often observed that I am the luckiest person on Earth. I feel that way even now as I prepare for the end of my life. I've loved my life, all of it.

I've had experiences, adventures, friendships enough for ten satisfying lives and I am so thankful. Like most people, I have regrets but I would not trade a day of my life in good or bad times for the best day of anybody else's. I owe the satisfaction to the love of my family. One man has never had a more loving wife or children he was prouder of than I am of mine. And I owe it to America to be connected with America's causes, liberty, equal justice, respect for the dignity of all people brings happiness more sublime that life's fleeting pleasures. Our identities and sense of worth are not circumscribed but are enlarged by serving good causes bigger than ourselves.

Fellow Americans, that association has meant more to me than any other. I lived and died a proud American. We are citizens of the world's greatest republic. A nation of ideals, not blood and soil. We are blessed and a blessing to humanity when we uphold and advance those ideals at home and in the world. We have helped liberate more people from tyranny and poverty than ever before in history. We have acquired great wealth and power in the progress. We weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with rivalries that have sown resentment and hatred and violence in all the corners of the globe. We weaken it when we hide behind walls rather than tear them down, when we doubt the power of our ideals rather than trust them to be the great force for change they have always been. We are 325 million opinionated, vociferous individuals. We argue and compete and sometimes even vilify each other in our raucous public debates.


But, we have always had so much more in common with each other than in disagreement. If only we remember that and give each other the benefit of the presumption that we all love our country, we'll get through these challenging times. We will come through them stronger than before. We always do. Ten years ago, I had the privilege to concede defeat in the election for president. I want to end my farewell to you with heartfelt faith in Americans that I felt so powerfully that evening. I feel it powerfully still. Do not despair of our present difficulties, we believe always in the promise and greatness of America because nothing is inevitable here. Americans never quit, we never surrender, we never hide from history, we make history. Farewell fellow Americans. God bless you and god bless America.


camlok
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2018 05:24 pm
@ehBeth,
J McCain: I've loved my life, all of it.

Especially carpet bombing civilians, John?

Aren't you ashamed of yourself, Beth?
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2018 05:26 pm
@camlok,
It's his farewell.

When you prepare your farewell, bring it by for comment.
camlok
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2018 05:30 pm
@ehBeth,
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It's his farewell.


I anxiously await your post of Hitler's farewell, PolPot's, Richard Nixon's, William Calley Jr's, Gary Ridgeway's, ... .
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2018 07:13 pm
@camlok,
I agree with ehBeth. I breathlessly await your farewell.
camlok
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2018 07:17 pm
@RABEL222,
That's because you are so brainwashed, Rabel, that you are totally unable to think straight. You know that what I said is largely true, Setanta confirmed it with his post.

All that needs to be sorted out are the details. If you fancy yourself a moral individual, you could help out.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2018 07:36 pm
McCain was a Navy pilot, he didn't "carpet bomb" anyone. Radicals in the grip of their ideological hysteria demonstrate their shallow views and their ignorance. The early wars between Europeans and Amerindians were simply tribal wars such as the aboriginals waged against one another. In the early 17th Century, the Iroquois set out to exterminate all of the tribes of the Great Lakes region. They didn't succeed, but not for want of trying. The Wendat, who had brought agriculture to all of the aboriginals of the area, and were revered by the other tribes of the region, lost about 70% of their population in the estimation of the Jesuits, who were there and who were witnesses.

The NVA and the Viet Cong were responsible for about a million dead South Vietnamese--as well as atrocities such as the torture, rape and murder of women and girl children, the better to instill the proper attitude among villagers. Was that "genocide?" Radicals of any stripe are first an foremost ignorant and hateful, and hysterical accusation is their stock in trade.

Your ranting, ignorant hate gets tedious, lassie.
camlok
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2018 07:52 pm
@Setanta,
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McCain was a Navy pilot, he didn't "carpet bomb" anyone.


Setanta splits hairs to defend the war criminal, McCain. Why?

We are talking about post-Nuremberg, Setanta. Do you converse with coldjoint to dig up stuff from centuries ago?

Every US president since then has been a war criminal as defined by Nuremberg where the Americans played up, yet again, their glorious propaganda, pretending they were setting a moral standard for the world, which as you well know was another of the myriad gigantic US lies.

But then that's how propaganda works, right?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2018 07:56 pm
You seem filled with hysteria and hate. Of course, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
camlok
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2018 07:58 pm
@Setanta,
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The NVA and the Viet Cong were responsible for about a million dead South Vietnamese--as well as atrocities such as the torture, rape and murder of women and girl children, the better to instill the proper attitude among villagers. Was that "genocide?"


How many Americans were the North and the South responsible for? The Vietnamese were fighting for their freedom, which seems to escape you.

Was the US fighting for its freedom in the Indonesian genocide?

Was the US fighting for its freedom in the Cambodian genocide?

Was the US fighting for its freedom in the Philippines genocide?

Was the US fighting for its freedom in the Hawaiian genocide?

Was the US fighting for its freedom in the Native American genocide?

Was the US fighting for its freedom in the Guatemalan genocide?

Was the US fighting for its freedom in the Nicaraguan genocide?

Was the US fighting for its freedom in the Iraqi genocide?

Was the US fighting for its freedom in the Afghanistan genocide?

Was the US fighting for its freedom in the [fill in the blank] genocide?

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camlok
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2018 08:15 pm
@Setanta,
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Of course, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.


You are filled with BS and more BS. This is how you always operate. You've got zilch so this is what you do.

Odd, not to mention incredibly hypocritical what you mentioned above.

You still haven't replied to your wild, totally unsupported assumptions that I have pointed out in this thread,

https://able2know.org/topic/177028-3#post-6699973
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2018 09:30 pm
@RABEL222,
She/he died inside years ago.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2018 09:57 am
@camlok,
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Your ignorance is astounding. Eisenhower knew that some 80 to 90 % of the people of Vietnam would vote for Ho so the US scuttled planned elections. That included the people of the south.

Wrong. You have zero proof of such a claim that 80-90% of the people would have favored that dictator scum who was already killing his own people to enforce his grab for power. If Truman "canceled" the elections, which he had no power to do, why did Ho Chi Mien invade south Vietnam and start the war?

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Ho said he would be any political stripe if it meant the independence of his country. All one has to do is look at the evil of the USA in SE Asia to know that independence and freedom are not what the US ever brings to any country.

Liar! He was a communist who was dealing with the USSR and China and had their full approval to invade South Vietnam. He had no intention of allowing for free elections, just as no one in his position allows real free elections. When Truman insisted that the UN oversee the elections, Ho Chi Mien knew he wouldn't be able to cheat, he had no iron grip over South Vietnam and they had no willingness to be ruled by Communism.

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Cambodia, a million slaughter by the war criminals Nixon and Kissinger and all the other military personnel, US, Australian, ... who helped. Laos, 750,000 slaughtered, Indonesia, over a million, from US planned, funded and run death squads. Korea, over three million US deaths from planned saturation bombing of civilians, the same evil thing McCain did.

I will point out again, that you have no real care for the civilian deaths, they are just a convenient drum beat for your propaganda. If you cared about civilian deaths, you wouldn't be defending Communist Dictators who don't allow freedom of their own people and kill them when they want it. There is no Freedom or Independence when Communism is involved, it's the will of the leader that matters.

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Now that's freedom, ain't it, Baldimo??!!!

Killing land owners because they won't give up their land to the "greater good" isn't freedom. Having a single person on the ballot isn't freedom. You wouldn't know Freedom if it landed on your face and started to wiggle.

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The same for Latin America from way way back. US dictatorships, or US governors, and the rape and pillage of their lands.

Communism has been so good for the people in South America... How many people did Che kill in South America before he was caught and executed? Can you tell me how much weight the average Venezuelan has lost in the last few years? From what I hear the "Maduro diet" has an average success rate of about 20 lbs per person... for those who live.
https://www.americasquarterly.org/content/maduro-diet-photo-essay-venezuela

maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2018 10:38 am
@Baldimo,
Why is anyone bothering with Camlok? No one takes him seriously, why even respond?

I don't get it.

camlok
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2018 10:40 am
@glitterbag,
Always with nothing of any substance, glitter. Just a bunch of schoolkids without any of the beauty of children.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2018 10:43 am
@maxdancona,
He show's up every few months and I usually respond a few times each session, it's important for people to realize the full depth of his delusions, not just the basic anti-American propaganda he spouts each time. He'll be around for another few weeks and then he will be gone for a few months again. I expect him to show up again sometime after the mid-term elections.
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camlok
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2018 11:04 am
@Baldimo,
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Wrong. You have zero proof of such a claim that 80-90% of the people


Brainwashed Americans are not at all adept with the truth/facts/science/rational thinking/... .

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Such an expansion of communist influence in Southeast Asia was unacceptable to America – even if, as President Eisenhower had pointed out, 80% of those in South Vietnam supported Ho Chi Minh and the Communists in the North.

https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/vietnam-war/americas-involvement-in-vietnam/


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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2018 11:41 am
@maxdancona,
You should be championing him Max. You’re often talking about voices being quieted and the cliques on this site. How minority opinions aren’t given enough room to ‘grow’.

Seems a bit hypocritical from you.
 

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