courtroom killing

Reply Mon 14 Mar, 2005 06:01 pm
(giggling wildly - stop it!)
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Reply Mon 14 Mar, 2005 06:04 pm
No. Seriously.

You've really got something to offer on this, JoeBlow. You're not just a gorgeous face. :wink:
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Reply Mon 14 Mar, 2005 06:17 pm
I find unarmed police officers very disturbing. Disarmed ones even more so.
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 11:36 am
I think we should walk around with firearms. Think of how it would deter anyone from opening fire--he or she would know that a fusillade would ensue!
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Duke of Lancaster
Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2005 11:09 am
I hope that black guy gets the chair without a doubt. Or make him suffer little by little, cutting his fingers one by one and then his toes. And finally feed his brain to the pigeons. Smile
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2005 03:49 pm
joefromchicago wrote:
Ceili wrote:
The policy was wrong, not because a women was his escort but because she was alone.

No, the policy was wrong because it allowed the deputy to carry a gun.

I've been in quite a few courtrooms in my professional career, and I can't recall seeing a single bailiff or deputy carrying any kind of weapon. There's a good reason for that: if one goes to the trouble of creating a weapon-free zone (such as a courthouse), it defeats the entire purpose to introduce weapons into that zone. That's why prison guards who work with inmates don't carry any weapons. And the same rule should apply in courthouses.

If Nichols had overpowered an unarmed deputy, the most he could have done is injure her and then escape. I agree that his escort should have been his physical equal; presumably, the only reason that the Atlanta authorities deemed it appropriate to put a woman in charge of this prisoner is because they thought any physical disparities between the two were negated by the fact that the deputy had a gun. In retrospect, this confidence in the efficacy of arming deputies was misplaced, but then, as I mentioned before, they shouldn't have been armed in the first place.

Ceili and Joe, in some weird way both of you agree w/Ann Coulter. Shocked

How many people have to die before the country stops humoring feminists? Last week, a defendant in a rape case, Brian Nichols, wrested a gun from a female deputy in an Atlanta courthouse and went on a murderous rampage. Liberals have proffered every possible explanation for this breakdown in security except the giant elephant in the room -- who undoubtedly has an eating disorder and would appreciate a little support vis-a-vis her negative body image.

Ann Coulter

The New York Times said the problem was not enough government spending on courthouse security ("Budgets Can Affect Safety Inside Many Courthouses"). Yes, it was tax-cuts-for-the-rich that somehow enabled a 200-pound former linebacker to take a gun from a 5-foot-tall grandmother.

Atlanta court officials dispensed with any spending issues the next time Nichols entered the courtroom when he was escorted by 17 guards and two police helicopters. He looked like P. Diddy showing up for a casual dinner party.

I think I have an idea that would save money and lives: Have large men escort violent criminals. Admittedly, this approach would risk another wave of nausea and vomiting by female professors at Harvard. But there are also advantages to not pretending women are as strong as men, such as fewer dead people. Even a female math professor at Harvard should be able to run the numbers on this one.

Of course, it's suspiciously difficult to find any hard data about the performance of female cops. Not as hard as finding the study showing New Jersey state troopers aren't racist, but still pretty hard to find.

Mostly what you find on Lexis-Nexis are news stories quoting police chiefs who have been browbeaten into submission, all uttering the identical mantra after every public safety disaster involving a girl cop. It seems that female officers compensate for a lack of strength with "other" abilities, such as cooperation, empathy and intuition.

There are lots of passing references to "studies" of uncertain provenance, but which always sound uncannily like a press release from the Feminist Majority Foundation. (Or maybe it was The Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, which recently released a study claiming that despite Memogate, "Fahrenheit 911," the Richard Clarke show and the jihad against the Swift Boat Veterans, the press is being soft on Bush.)

The anonymous "studies" about female officers invariably demonstrate that women make excellent cops -- even better cops than men! One such study cited an episode of "She's the Sheriff," starring Suzanne Somers.

A 1993 news article in the Los Angeles Times, for example, referred to a "study" -- cited by an ACLU attorney -- allegedly proving that "female officers are more effective at making arrests without employing force because they are better at de-escalating confrontations with suspects." No, you can't see the study or have the name of the organization that performed it, and why would you ask?

There are roughly 118 million men in this country who would take exception to that notion. I wonder if women officers "de-escalate" by mentioning how much more money their last suspect made.

These aren't unascertainable facts, like Pinch Sulzberger's SAT scores. The U.S. Department of Justice (news - web sites) regularly performs comprehensive surveys of state and local law enforcement agencies, collected in volumes called "Law Enforcement Management and Administrative Statistics."

The inestimable economist John Lott has looked at the actual data. (And I'll give you the citation! John R. Lott Jr., "Does a Helping Hand Put Others at Risk? Affirmative Action, Police Departments and Crime," Economic Inquiry, April 1, 2000.)

It turns out that, far from "de-escalating force" through their superior listening skills, female law enforcement officers vastly are more likely to shoot civilians than their male counterparts. (Especially when perps won't reveal where they bought a particularly darling pair of shoes.)

Unable to use intermediate force, like a bop on the nose, female officers quickly go to fatal force. According to Lott's analysis, each 1 percent increase in the number of white female officers in a police force increases the number of shootings of civilians by 2.7 percent.

Adding males to a police force decreases the number of civilians accidentally shot by police. Adding black males decreases civilian shootings by police even more. By contrast, adding white female officers increases accidental shootings. (And for my Handgun Control Inc. readers: Private citizens are much less likely to accidentally shoot someone than are the police, presumably because they do not have to approach the suspect and make an arrest.)

In addition to accidentally shooting people, female law enforcement officers are also more likely to be assaulted than male officers -- as the whole country saw in Atlanta last week. Lott says: "Increasing the number of female officers by 1 percentage point appears to increase the number of assaults on police by 15 percent to 19 percent."

In addition to the obvious explanations for why female cops are more likely to be assaulted and to accidentally shoot people -- such as that our society encourages girls to play with dolls -- there is also the fact that women are smaller and weaker than men.

In a study of public safety officers -- not even the general population -- female officers were found to have 32 percent to 56 percent less upper body strength and 18 percent to 45 percent less lower body strength than male officers -- although their outfits were 43 percent more coordinated. (Here's the cite! Frank J. Landy, "Alternatives to Chronological Age in Determining Standards of Suitability for Public Safety Jobs," Technical Report, Vol. 1, Jan. 31, 1992.)

Another study I've devised involves asking a woman to open a jar of pickles.

There is also the telling fact that feminists demand that strength tests be watered down so that women can pass them. Feminists simultaneously demand that no one suggest women are not as strong as men and then turn around and demand that all the strength tests be changed. It's one thing to waste everyone's time by allowing women to try out for police and fire departments under the same tests given to men. It's quite another to demand that the tests be brawned-down so no one ever has to tell female Harvard professors that women aren't as strong as men.

Acknowledging reality wouldn't be all bad for women. For one thing, they won't have to confront violent felons on methamphetamine. So that's good. Also, while a sane world would not employ 5-foot-tall grandmothers as law enforcement officers, a sane world would also not give full body-cavity searches to 5-foot-tall grandmothers at airports.

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Debra Law
Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2005 04:26 pm
Suspect's baby born only days before courthouse rampage


The day after Meredith gave birth, jail officials found homemade knives in each of Nichols' shoes.

* * *

Three days after the boy was born, Nichols allegedly went on a crime spree at the courthouse where he was on trial for rape, leaving an Atlanta judge and three others dead.
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Reply Fri 18 Mar, 2005 10:42 am
princesspupule wrote:
Ceili and Joe, in some weird way both of you agree w/Ann Coulter. Shocked

Well, I can't abide the notion that I might agree with Ann Coulter, even if it is only by accident. So I need to point out that my main issue was not with female guards per se, but with arming any guards in a weapon-free zone. Coulter, in contrast, doesn't seem to have any qualms about arming these guards; her only complaint is with females (or, more specifically, five-foot tall grandmas) taking on guard duties.
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Reply Fri 18 Mar, 2005 10:47 am
Personally, I'd rather have Lisa Leslie guarding a prisoner than say Danny DeVito.

It's less about gender per se than strength and common sense.

That said, I agree that it doesn't make sense to arm any guards in a weapon-free zone.
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