Evolution? How?

There is nothing in your drivel to convince me of anything other than the confusion of your mind.

What evidence do you have for the existence of "spirit" which anyone else can examine to determine if they agree?

You are standing at the base of an escarpment. You look up and see 300 feet of amazing structure. What wonder! Who could have, must have, created such an edifice? Something like that cannot arise from nothing it must have a creator. Then you take a walk around the other side. Its a long long slope upwards. Bit by bit it builds on itself. Over many many years you get to the top and there it is in all its glory!

All is understandable once you understand the time scale. Sadly the 6 day-ers and the 6000 years people just cant. (Actually many of them can, but wont)

Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

You are standing at the base of an escarpment. You look up and see 300 feet of amazing structure. What wonder! Who could have, must have, created such an edifice? Something like that cannot arise from nothing it must have a creator. Then you take a walk around the other side. Its a long long slope upwards. Bit by bit it builds on itself. Over many many years you get to the top and there it is in all its glory!

All is understandable once you understand the time scale. Sadly the 6 day-ers and the 6000 years people just cant. (Actually many of them can, but wont)

Blind faith of any kind is an insult to a person's intelligence.

No, that is not evidence. It is assertion without foundation. That is why all you do is clog this thread with your silly babble--you cannot distinguish mere assertion from evidence; you cannot distinguish "gee, wouldn't it be great" from "this is what we have learned about how things are."

What is evolution? An assertion without a foundation so what is really your point? Evolution must have materials with which to start with...

Evolution in no way explains where the materials came from in the first place.

So who is clogging up what? You are again standing in the way of a logical discussion out of you blind allegiance to something you have no PROOF of either.

My assertion is better than yours because it builds on science. Yet yours does not permit any spirituality so who has a clogged drain? I do not have to reject evolution because my Bible teaches that. Yet your scientific Bible teaches you to reject life and the spirit for the flesh.

I am not denying evolution. I am providing an explanation for things like "gravity" and even spiritual matters and operations that science may NEVER EVER be able to "know" other than by "divine" revelation.

Ro 8:1

There is therefore now no condemnation [judgment] to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

I find it bizarre that so many Christians will go to so much extent to prove something which is quite obviously wrong, there is a God who ages the galaxy to make it look old, while at the same time can't be bothered stopping modern day mass murders and exterminations, the excuse being that we are free willed, yet in the old testament had quite a "hands on" attitude, and without any kind of remorse would willfully kill and murder just to help out a minority of a population (Kinda cheating don't you think).

Then you say t-rex's and other dinosaurs existed at the same time as the old testament, so where did noah put them in the arc ? and how did he feed them, surely these massive creatures would have been hard to keep up on just fish, or did Noah not bother to bring them?

Maybe your God is the one who is evil, he allows so much suffering yet only helps privileged americans, while neglecting his aids/hunger ridden followers in africa or is the stigma of slavery still in the mind of many americans, which deems these fellow human beings worthless? or has things become so bad that God only accepts the whiteman or african americans now?

Many believe the chosen people of Israel left and went to europe and then on the states, so is the reason that the rest of the world must suffer while the west over indulges in materialism and greed?

I do believe that many christians spend their lives in hope of saving souls, giving them the equivalent of a celestial wank when the succeed, but do you never think that it could be possible that you are damning them. Your book is not infallible nor perfect, it was not written by God but by man, and if the age of an item is to be taken into account for authenticity then ignoring every other ancient writing on the planet is just pure negligence.

I doubt I will get an answer to any of the above, I am well versed in the bible so if you want me to quote mass murders/sacrifices/anti-disability sections of the old testament then i will, I just see it pointless as the christian mind eraser will just jump into action, and the blissful ignorance to what is actually written and your praise of a God who seems to lack any sort of self-esteem and confidence will continue.

And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. Genesis 6:6-7

real life wrote:

BDV wrote:

Then you say t-rex's and other dinosaurs existed at the same time as the old testament, so where did noah put them in the arc ? and how did he feed them, surely these massive creatures would have been hard to keep up on just fish, or did Noah not bother to bring them?

hi BDV,

This is an old and rather silly objection, don't you think so?

Have you ever considered (possibly not) that Noah did not have to bring full grown specimens, but could have (and probably would have preferred to) brought along young, small representatives of most of the species?

Even a small brontosaur would be a hulking monster at the end of a year. You need to pull another divine miracle out of your rectum to cover that one . . .

real life,

Your posts about dinosaurs on the ark sound like you are telling a children's story.

Nevertheless, any critter you put on board is going to have to be old enough to be viable ... .

Pretty damned fast, i'd say. Given that there would have had to have been more than a million species of insect, and more than 50,000 of all other animals, there wouldn't have been much room for growth. Quite apart from the sheer magnitude of the task, you are stuck with every species currently know having been accomodated on your fanciful boat, because you're stipulating for a direct creation of all known forms of life--unless, of course, you're now willing to stipulate that some form of evolution has taken place since then.

By the way, Brontosaurus is no longer the accepted term, as it was found that the head originally attributed to the fossils found was not the right head. They are now called Apatosaurs. Full grown Apatosaurs weighed forty tons. Quite apart from the ludicrous image of Noah going into the nesting grounds of Apatasaurs to turn the juveniles over to establish the gender, one has to consider that to get from an egg (even if quite a large egg) to a forty ton, full-grown adult would have required a very rapid growth rate altogether.

I'm rather disappointed in you, though. The last time this came up, you used a different dodge, and claimed that your boy, god, put the critters into some sort of suspended animation, so that fodder would not have been needed. That sillines is irrelevant, though, as your boat with the given dimensions could not have held all the species, even if juveniles.