Evolution? How?

Oh, come on, quit playing dumb. I know you are good at it but I have to go off and do errands as this is my day off. Ta Ta.

So tell me, with what are you taking issue?

How did God make anything? Actually why did he make anything at all anyways. A perfect creature has no needs to fulfill. The more I look at how we interpret the God in the bible, the more he looks like one of us. So, either we are looking at the bible incorrectly, the bible is incorrect, God doesn't exist, or God really is a selfish 3-year-old who got bored 'one day' during the course of infinity and decided he would like some friends who had to follow rules that are impossible to follow, but be generous enough to let them not burn in flames and get raped by devils if they would admit that he is better.

It's really me, only I have taken off the cap of ignorance to a point of enlightenment. It's funny, I thought I would come to some kind of conclusion about wether God exists or not...through discussion with various acquantinces and lots of pondering and other other discussion with Christians and non-Christians alike, I have realized that....1. religion is not good, 2. if there is a god, our purpose would indicate that our knowledge of him is less important than the way we treat each other, 3. I doubt there is a hell, 4. even armed with knowledge of god's existence, we are still bad....

Also, if the bible is true, it absolutely has to be allegory, it just doesn't make sense any other way (even allegory needs tough explaining)

I feel intellectualy reborn and as if I have lived thinking I was open-minded (I was to an extent) but once the fear that God will punish you for these thoughts is gone....it's clear waters for the S.S Freethought

It's nice....

Chumly, I think we need not ask such small picture questions when our big picture is already distorted.

It's really me, only I have taken off the cap of ignorance to a point of enlightenment. It's funny, I thought I would come to some kind of conclusion about wether God exists or not...through discussion with various acquantinces and lots of pondering and other other discussion with Christians and non-Christians alike, I have realized that....1. religion is not good, 2. if there is a god, our purpose would indicate that our knowledge of him is less important than the way we treat each other, 3. I doubt there is a hell, 4. even armed with knowledge of god's existence, we are still bad....

Also, if the bible is true, it absolutely has to be allegory, it just doesn't make sense any other way (even allegory needs tough explaining)

I feel intellectualy reborn and as if I have lived thinking I was open-minded (I was to an extent) but once the fear that God will punish you for these thoughts is gone....it's clear waters for the S.S Freethought

It's nice....

1. Religion is bad

2. if there is a god, our purpose would indicate that our knowledge of him is less important than the way we treat each other

3. I doubt there is a hell

4. even armed with knowledge of god's existence, we are still bad....

really is. I am a sinner and that's why I need a Savior.

Well, for one, Thunder runner has spent some time obviously thinking about all this. I think that most of us have gone through the same thought processes in order to arrive at our present philosophies. Its always dangerous to propose that our belief system be joined to a parade of provable facts and evidence,
because if only one of these provable facts is not in harmony with our beliefs, then something loses. Either our thinking process becomes illogical, or else we must become creatures guided by our beliefs alone.

Hang on a minute, what has this got to do with Evolution?

Hi Runner,

Good to see you around.

This may surprise some, but I don't think your 4 points are necessarily incompatible with Christian belief.

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1. Religion is bad
-- the Bible has many examples of religion getting in the way of obeying God, which leads to #2...
Yes, so why do we have it? By going to church are you disobeying God's word? ....if your not with him, you're against him
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2. if there is a god, our purpose would indicate that our knowledge of him is less important than the way we treat each other
--- this is really just a restatement and expansion on #1. The Bible does teach that our behavior (the way we treat each other) is the basis on which God judges us, not just on what we 'know'. Be ye doers, not hearers only, the apostles taught.
Wait, what happened to grace alone? Even if those with Christ in their hearts aren't judged, what good is it to say that your works are important, right after saying they won't do you a lick of good?
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3. I doubt there is a hell
-- many Christians doubt and wonder about this very difficult topic. Doubting the existence of hell won't send you there.
I would hope not, but you're are missing my point, which is simply to challenge traditional thinking.
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4. even armed with knowledge of god's existence, we are still bad....
-- When the Bible says 'all have sinned' , that's the way it really is. I am a sinner and that's why I need a Savior.
This is the most overused expression by Christians. Think about this, why would God create us with the knowledge that his world would turn to chaos, then bestow rules on us that we can't follow, only so he could be our savior? It sounds nice, "I'm a sinner and God is my salvation", but really think about what you are saying, the one who created you didn't give you the means to accomplish anything without his help-according to the bible. That makes it sound like God created us (still a question of why?) for the sole purpose of showing off his power.... I am confused, why would a perfect, all-powerful creator do this?