Evolution? How?

Let's see, under what regime was the Catholic church operating under in WWII? Seems like they were awfully buddy-buddy with Hitler and eventually, the Italian Jews were shipped off to the concentration camps.

What all this actually has to do with evolution is not clear -- it's a diversion.

I thought the greatest generation of America was those one where they formed the country. The soldiers in WWII did not attack Hitler's evil science. They attacked his soldiers as Hitler's meglamania expanded the war in Europe. They "borrowed" those evil scientists to work in the U.S., otherwise we may have made those trips to the moon until the 80's (very possibly after the Russians made it there), not the 50's.

Your attempt to turn science into an evil entity is null and void.

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RexRed baby,

Is god all pwerful and all knowing? yes / no
Did god make the sun? yes / no

Short and simple would be good here!

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Lightwizard wrote:

Let's see, under what regime was the Catholic church operating under in WWII? Seems like they were awfully buddy-buddy with Hitler and eventually, the Italian Jews were shipped off to the concentration camps.

What all this actually has to do with evolution is not clear -- it's a diversion.

I thought the greatest generation of America was those one where they formed the country. The soldiers in WWII did not attack Hitler's evil science. They attacked his soldiers as Hitler's meglamania expanded the war in Europe. They "borrowed" those evil scientists to work in the U.S., otherwise we may have made those trips to the moon until the 80's (very possibly after the Russians made it there), not the 50's.

Your attempt to turn science into an evil entity is null and void.

I am not catholic or protestant I am loyal to the Bible only...

So I do not doubt that the catholic church was not profiting from Hitler but Hitler drained every source of wealth he could lay his filthy hands on.

The point is that evil is in the word and truth is not guaranteed by sincere people or if you claim to be part of some "christian" or "science" organization. Truth comes with study and love for the "creator".

When you truly love the creator you create more than you destroy...

Many Americans simply love and have faith in God... This may one day be our saving grace...

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Chumly wrote:

RexRed baby,

Is god all pwerful and all knowing? yes / no
Did god make the sun? yes / no

Short and simple would be good here!

All things come from God and God knows all things.

God has law and God has liberty...

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It's the "Sermon on the Mount Up and Ride 'Em, Cowboy." Y'all are sure on the stump tonight. Reminds me of the kooky nuts down in Pershing Square, Los Angeles. Old school conservatives need to spend more time repairing their trailer.

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farmerman wrote:

Doesnt say that at all. Youre reading things into other things there RL.

What it says is the seminar covers

Quote:

basic tenets of the concept of evolution and how does understanding evolution play an essential role in comprehending science, and in particular, modern biology

this is listed first (usually reserved for the most important or substantial part.)

Why would someone who is supposed to be qualified to teach evolution to high schoolers (and presumably has at least a few years experience doing so) need to be taught what it is and why it is considered important?

If I were an evolutionist, I would be livid that a concept considered foundational to science had to be taught from square one to those who are supposed to be teachers.

Since I'm not, I just think it's funny. And a little pathetic.

Think I'm misreading their need for the basics? I don't think so. The most interesting part of it, when you think it through, is that these science teachers (presumably) are evolutionists (aren't all good science teachers evolutionists?) yet they don't seem to know the first thing about it (why else would the supposedly 'ignorant' questions of mere highschoolers flummox them so?) .

How came they to believe in that of which they apparently know or understand so little?

And how embarrasing for the president-elect of the National Science Teachers Association to admit in public print 'They (the teachers ) don't know how to respond. They haven't researched it like the students.' Was this the sharpest spokesperson they could find? She needs a seminar too but I hope she doesn't get it. She's lots of fun just as she is. (What a crew).

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Sounds a little bit "Brokeback Mount Sinai" LW !

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Eorl wrote:

Sounds a little bit "Brokeback Mount Sinai" LW !

It's the Sinai the times.

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I'm in a great mood today. I'm so proud my country and my state are "bucking the trend" :

My local paper wrote:

Quote:

ANY belief system could soon be taught in Queensland state schools following changes to the laws governing religious education.

The changes will allow any group - religious or not - to offer spiritual instruction to children, provided their parents agree.

The Beattie Government has pressed ahead with the changes despite the protests of Christian churches worried about marginalising religion in schools.

They are included in the recent overhaul of the Education Act, which will herald a new era for Queensland's 470,000 state school children.

... to be enacted this year, no student will attend religious education lessons unless their parents write to the school requiring them to do so.

And in line with anti-discrimination laws, religious education classes will no longer be taught solely by church representatives.

Groups with a non-religious system of beliefs - providing they are apolitical - will also be allowed to teach religious education classes.

The Australian Humanist Society expects the Bill to be enacted in July and has already drawn up a syllabus dealing with science-based education, creative thinking, ethical responsibility and the separation of the church and state.

State secretary of the Australian Humanist Society Maria Proctor hopes to become the first atheist religious education teacher in a Queensland state school

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RexRed wrote:

All things come from God and God knows all things.

God has law and God has liberty...

What God wants God gets God help us all
What God wants God gets
The kid in the corner looked at the priest
And fingered his pale blue Japanese guitar
The priest said
God wants goodness
God wants light
God wants mayhem
God wants a clean fight
What God wants God gets
Don't look so surprised
It's only dogma
The alien prophet cried
The beetle and the springbok
Took the Bible from its hook
The monkey in the corner
Wrote the lesson in his book
What God wants God gets God help us all
God wants peace
God wants war
God wants famine
God wants chain stores
What God wants God gets
God wants sedition
God wants sex
God wants freedom
God wants semtex
What God wants God gets
Don't look so surprised
I'm only joking
The alien comic cried
The jackass and hyena
Took the feather from its hook
The monkey in the corner
Wrote the joke down in his book
What God wants God gets
God wants boarders
God wants crack
God wants rainfall
God wants wetbacks
What God wants God gets
God wants voodoo
God wants shrines
God wants law
God wants organized crime
God wants crusade
God wants jihad
God wants good
God wants bad
What God wants God gets

Do you believe in a better day
Do you have faith in a golden way
If you do then we must come together this day
Come together as one united
Television audience
Brought together by the sound of my voice
United united financially united socially
United spiritually and all possible ways
Through the power of money
And the power of prayers
What God wants God gets God help us all
God wants dollars
God wants cents
God wants pounds shillings and pence
God wants guilders
God wants Kroner
God wants Swiss francs
God wants French francs
Oui il veut des francs francais
God wants escudos
God wants pesetas
Don't send lira
God don't want small potatoes
God wants small towns
God wants pain
God wants clean up rock campaigns
God wants windows
God wants solutions
God wants TV
God wants contributions
What God wants God gets God help us all
God wants silver
God wants gold
God wants his secret
Never to be told
God wants gigolos
God wants giraffes
God wants politics
God wants a good laugh
What God wants God gets God help us all
God wants friendship
God wants fame
God wants credit
God wants blame
God wants poverty
God wants wealth
God wants insurance
God wants to cover himself What God wants
God gets God help us all

Don't be afraid it's only business
The alien prophet sighed
The vulture and the magpie took
The cash box from its hook
The monkey in the corner wrote
The figures in his book
Crazed the checkout lady's fingers
Flash across the till
The captain posts
The menu for the day
And in banks across the world
Christians Moslems Hindus Jews
And people of every
Race creed colour tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog
Neatly make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
Christ it's freezing inside
The veteran cries
The hyenas break cover
And stream through the meadow
And the fog rolls in
Though his bottle of gin
So he picks up a stone
That looks like a bone
And the bullets fly
And the rivers run dry
And the fat girls sigh
And the network anchor persons lie
And the soldier's alone
In the video zone
But the monkey's not watching
He's slipped out to the kitchen
To pile the dishes
And answer the phone

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RexRed wrote:

Chumly wrote:
RexRed baby,

Is god all powerful and all knowing? yes / no
Did god make the sun? yes / no

Short and simple would be good here!

All things come from God and God knows all things.

God has law and God has liberty...

OK.

- We know the sun uses nuclear energy (fusion).

- Since you say "All things come from God".
- Then nuclear energy must have come from God.

- Since you say "God knows all things" God must have known man would discover nuclear weapons.
- Since you say "God knows all things" God must have known man would use nuclear weapons.

- Therefore nuclear weapons came from God.
- Therefore God authorized nuclear weapons, not science, not man.

(I know both fusion and fusion weapons are possible I just used one example for clarity)

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Then God is a murderer. It's not confusion, it's perfusion of beliefs that are erroneous to the core.

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Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

H. L. Mencken

Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo.

H. G. Wells

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I doubt god felt any guilt about Hiroshima, not with Sodom and Gomorrah already under his belt. (Let alone the "Flood")

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Then Nagasaki, even worse than Hiroshima. Those heathen Japanese! Kill 'em all. God is a Prick.

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It was not God who ate of the serpents apple...

Knowledge is here by the will of man.

We can walk by the spirit or walk by our five senses...

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Wrong RexRed, Adam and Eve had no free will. Why?
Because God put the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden, and God already knew with 100% certainty they would partake of tthe apple.

Remember what you said:
"All things come from God and God knows all things."

That means original sin came from God too.
That means evil came from God too.
There is no getting around this RexRed.

Note: I meant to say in my earlier post: "I know both fusion and fission weapons are possible......." I was in a rush as I had to shave down the dog for summer.

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Eorl wrote:

I doubt god felt any guilt about Hiroshima, not with Sodom and Gomorrah already under his belt. (Let alone the "Flood")

There are two "Gods" named in the Bible one is Lucifer "the God (theos) of this world" (also called the prince of the power of the air) and then there is "the one true God". (It has not always been a mono theism)

The problem was there were two Gods and the human spirit was unable at times to distinguish between them.

In other words God was able to compromise with the devil and give the devil some power in order to allow a few of the righteous to pass free...

Make sense?

and,
God was just letting things be in a loose sense but it was humans who pleaded with God to give them "law"... God did not want to give law but three times the people asked, begged and pleaded for God to give them law.

Finally God gave Moses the ten commandments and then more laws "sprung up"... Suddenly we had a God in man's image not his own...

Because humans could not tell wrong from right on their own.

So what I am saying is to GO BACK and reexamine, rethink "IF" there were really TWO GODS, or "LORDS" in the old testament and maybe there has been some trickery. Maybe it was not the good God who did all the bad stuff? Maybe God had his reasons for not telling us this in the first? (God's reasons were he did not want the world to know the dire situation the were in.) So he also represented "their" adversary.

Christ revealed the good God.

When the "good" God makes laws even he cannot overstep them or he will pay a sever penalty... God could lose his own existence if he broke his own law for God must always be within virtue. Just like every bit in a master computer must function accurate or the ending answer may be wrong...

God could slip up and lose his dream of civilization, yet God is honest and must honor his own word. God sees the future and knows honesty is a solid virtue.

The universe is not an accident.. The earth did not perfectly align with the moon by chance. The ancients knew the awe of this.

but in total contrast...

THE GOD OF THIS WORLD

The devil.

Satan

Motive:
steal, kill and destroy

Must also abide by certain "laws"... there is an order to confusion...

(Most people know Eve committed the original sin but they do not really read what is in the Bible.)

It was Adam who seems to have taken the prize for the worst sin in Eden(besides the devil)..

Eve only brought knowledge into the garden and Adam partook. But it was Adam whom God had entrusted with the "dominion over the earth".

Adam had power over the four winds and was even in harmony with the animal kingdom. The ate mana from heaven..

So then after Eden we see the devil becoming "the god of this world"...

HOW SO?

That is because ADAM gave him the "dominion over the earth" so the devil became the God of this world... Adam's sin was much worse than Eve's. Adam committed high treason against God and nature...

Simple logic there in the Bible for anyone who cares to read and study it.

It is the spirit of "the one true God" that guides us to wisdom and a standard for life and common decency. Without the "holy" spirit the answer is truly, "blowing in the wind" (science).

Peace with (the one true) God

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Chumly wrote:

Wrong RexRed, Adam and Eve had no free will. Why?
Because God put the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden, and God already knew with 100% certainty they would partake of tthe apple.

Remember what you said:
"All things come from God and God knows all things."

That means original sin came from God too.
That means evil came from God too.
There is no getting around this RexRed.

Note: I meant to say in my earlier post: "I know both fusion and fission weapons are possible......." I was in a rush as I had to shave down the dog for summer.

If God had NOT put the tree in the garden would they really have had free will then? It was the tree which was their nemesis not God...

The tree represents rationalization and doubt in God's word.

The the presence of the tree only proves that their will was FREE...

Also,
There will never be world peace until the devil is destroyed.

The devil cannot invent..

But the devil counterfeits inventions, only God can invent...

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Come over Jesus
Whole lot of smoten' goin' on
Yes I said come over Jesus
Jesus you can't go wrong
We ain't faken' it
Whole lot of smoten' goin' on

RexRed wrote:

If God had NOT put the tree in the garden would they really have had free will then?

That is not what the Bible says, it says God put the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden, read your Bible RexRed and quit making stuff up, or God will get angry and smote you down!

RexRed wrote:

It was the tree which was their nemesis not God...

Wrong again, God put the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden and God knew they would partake from it, read your Bible RexRed and quit making stuff up, or God will get angry and smote you down!

RexRed wrote:

The tree represents rationalization and doubt in God's word.

Wrong again, the tree represented knowledge, read your Bible RexRed and quit making stuff up, or God will get angry and smote you down!

RexRed wrote:

The presence of the tree only proves that their will was FREE...

Wrong again, the presence of the tree shows that God put the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden, read your Bible RexRed and quit making stuff up, or God will get angry and smote you down!

RexRed wrote:

But the devil counterfeits inventions, only God can invent...

God created the Devil, you said it yourself "All things come from God".

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