Evolution? How?

wandeljw wrote:

The difficulties faced by American science teachers are being addressed by local science associations. Here is an example:

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Teaching Darwin & Evolution In Climate Of Controversy
(New York Academy Of Sciences Conference, April 21-22 at John Jay College)

................What are the basic tenets of the concept of evolution and how does understanding evolution play an essential role in comprehending science, and in particular, modern biology? ..............

This pretty much reinforces what I said. These teachers, if they are needing this explained to them after having been employed in a professional capacity, probably don't belong in the classroom.

They must be woefully ill prepared if someone needs to start at square one and explain their subject area to them.

Would you agree?

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Doesnt say that at all. Youre reading things into other things there RL.

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real life,

These conferences are addressing the issues generated by anti-evolution propaganda.

The students described in the article rosborne referred to are merely repeating anti-evolution propaganda that they have been exposed to.

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When you are exposed to a virulent disease, you're likely to catch it. If all are allowed to be educated about the science of evolution, they will have the antidote. Whether they use it or not does not mean they have to give up on their moral spirituality no matter where it comes from. Believing in a power outside oneself is not necessarily answered by religions. It's a healthy humility that I feel when I look at photographs from the Hubble telescope that keeps my ego and identity in a good place. I needn't repeat the Mencken quote that satisfactorily points out the huge egotism of believing any higher power has one singled out as the chosen one. Especially the chosen one to spread creationist and ID non-factual propaganda purely as an effort to proselytize.

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Lightwizard wrote:

The inevitable is following anything with the semblance of what you suggest. The human race can improve itself but has done a really bad job following religion. Science is not heartless -- it advocates looking at reality and then dealing with life. If you need a faith in something, that's understandable. You're not doing well in explaining anything you are obviously idealistic about. Back to the drawing board.

And I am supposed to take your word that science has a heart?
That is even more fantastical than the concept of God...
Shall we dare ask for proof of that?

Let's dump a little hydrochloric acid on this helpless mouse's skin and see what it does...

Science's ethics go about as far as the university's treasury...

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How about dumping a little electronic colour and movement hypnotism into everybody's living rooms and see what that does?

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Let's see, scientific advancement in medicine has saved and lengthened how many lives? Doctors need a power from above to dispense medicine, or, for just an instance, perform an operation with a laser (equipment I happened to have worked in research and development for five years).

Your cynicism about science is expected -- religious heads will never understand the secular humanitarian viewpoint because they don't want to. All good comes out of the Bible. Yeah, right.

Try Bio-feedback (I knew the inventors in the 70's) which is strictly a scientific method of bringing about a stress free life. Religion seems hell bent (literally) on causing more stress than it relieves.

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Let's see, who dropped the A bomb twice on Japan? Scientists? No, an extremely religious President Harry S. Truman gave the order. What religious-head President invaded another country with little cause and killed thousands on both sides to bring about a conflict between two religious factions? First , you'd have to prove that Christianity is any better than any other religion. Then you'd have to explain why it's been the primary source of death throughout the centuries.

The more you write, the deeper the hole you've dug for yourself.

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Lightwizard wrote:

Let's see, scientific advancement in medicine has saved and lengthened how many lives? Doctors need a power from above to dispense medicine, or, for just an instance, perform an operation with a laser (equipment I happened to have worked in research and development for five years).

Your cynicism about science is expected -- religious heads will never understand the secular humanitarian viewpoint because they don't want to. All good comes out of the Bible. Yeah, right.

Try Bio-feedback (I knew the inventors in the 70's) which is strictly a scientific method of bringing about a stress free life. Religion seems hell bent (literally) on causing more stress than it relieves.

And look what Hitler accomplished under the same "scientific" umbrella...

And the USSR's experiments to try and make people "sicker"... all brought to you by the innately ethical scientists... (sarcasm)

Germ warfare has a health benefit don't you know? Once it is unleashed health will no longer be a problem...

We all take our chances with snake ridden apple trees...

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Hitler was not a scientist and considered himself a Christian, an anti-Semetic Christian and we know where that lead to. What, exactly is a scientific umbrella? Does it have lights on it? Absurd.

The despotism of Stalin has been repudiated by the Russians who still remain a secular government.

Not all scientists are morally good, but you are writing of a very small number of people, and almost always under orders of a dictator have created biological agents that can be used in warfare. What happened to the Christians or any religious faction in these countries that let this come about? Sounds like a good example of passivity.

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(And I'm having trouble hearing you -- that hole is so deept the echo distorts your voice).

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Lightwizard wrote:

Try Bio-feedback (I knew the inventors in the 70's) which is strictly a scientific method of bringing about a stress free life. Religion seems hell bent (literally) on causing more stress than it relieves.

Any suggestions on where to get a decent machine that does not break the bank? Impressive recent rebuttals!

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You usually do not buy the machine but go to a Bio-feedback clinic and pay by appointment to use theres. Once you get the hang of it, you can used the technique without the machine and produce the same euphoria. Of course, a chocolate martini also works, or a glass of Pinot Noir, but with side-effects if over indulged in. Like yesterday when I went to Laguna for an Easter Dinner! Hey, I stayed over and they have a wonderful view of the coast. We could see Catalina Island all day and at night, the lights of Avalon. Now that was romantically calming.

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Lightwizard wrote:

Hitler was not a scientist and considered himself a Christian, an anti-Semetic Christian and we know where that lead to. What, exactly is a scientific umbrella? Does it have lights on it? Absurd.

Haha yea RED lights... That is an oxymoron, Hitler considered himself a Christian... Yet Jesus was pure semetic... Hmmm something wrong with that picture? So he killed Jews out of love for Jesus? Hitler despized Christians too, he waited till they all admitted to being Christians then sent them to the chanbers too... Hitler was a pagan...

The despotism of Stalin has been repudiated by the Russians who still remain a secular government.

Well the USSR's spies, operatives, moles and propaganda war were all made up then?

Not all scientists are morally good, but you are writing of a very small number of people, and almost always under orders of a dictator have created biological agents that can be used in warfare. What happened to the Christians or any religious faction in these countries that let this come about? Sounds like a good example of passivity.

You seem to forget that it was a Christian nation (USA) that brought about the fall of both Hitler and the USSR... We also were instrumental in the UN at bringing Israel to statehood... Does that sound like we just sat by and watched on the sidelines?

Are you also saying that Germany under Hitler did not have science? (Science flourished in Germany, when we did not cut of their supply routes).

German scientists could have defected when Einstein did... But a majority (that were not killed as being Jews) chose rather to live in the afforded luxury of a murderous dictator...

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LW wrote-

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All good comes out of the Bible. Yeah, right.

You said it not me.All I said was what happens when you dump electronic colour and movement hypnotism into everybody's living rooms?

What has that question to do with the Bible?

If you want to land a big red herring what can I say?

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Find where Hitler specifically zeroed in on Christians and sent them to the gas chamber. That hat you are talking out of is small enough to fit in that hole.

We are a secular government, not a Christian government. The settlers desired to get out from under religious oppression when they came to the U.S. There were just as many Deists as there were Christians. That's another debate and it's been done to death on this forum with nobody changing their mind.

You reply to the USSR is a non sequitur.

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I was ignoring your post, spendius, and so could not have replied to it.

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Here is a perfect reliable iron-clad science...

http://www.shoaheducation.com/philosophies.html#phrenology

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Good, I would recommend that you do have your head examined.

Where were the Christian churches, especially the Catholics, when Hitler was doing his deeds? His advisors thought they might be a threat but they certainly weren't showing themselves to be a threat. The Reich formed a government sponsored church in an attempt to head off any possible threat.

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Lightwizard wrote:

Find where Hitler specifically zeroed in on Christians and sent them to the gas chamber. That hat you are talking out of is small enough to fit in that hole.

We are a secular government, not a Christian government. The settlers desired to get out from under religious oppression when they came to the U.S. There were just as many Deists as there were Christians. That's another debate and it's been done to death on this forum with nobody changing their mind.

You reply to the USSR is a non sequitur.

I don't know what planet your are on... We (the USA) are Christian country with a secular government... Always have been.

And we certainly did act on those principles when the greatest generation of Americans gave their honor and lives to end Hitler's evil "science".

http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/nuremberg48.htm

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