farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 08:04 am
Jelly donuts in Uranus.... Now Theres a picture.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 08:06 am
real life wrote:
Let's see, the Big Bang......

Is this the scientific theory you were referring to?


Actually, I was asking you to explain your definition of "creation". With regard to this particular question, I'm not really interested in your misunderstandings of various scientific theories (Big Bang or otherwise).

I just wanted to understand what you are talking about when you say "creation". Can you offer any examples of your view?
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 08:09 am
Chumly wrote:


Exactly!

Cause and effect don't have much meaning outside of time.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 08:18 am
real life wrote:
What evidence do you have that time or space did NOT exist prior to your postulated event?


Time and Space are only defined within our Universe. We don't know what happened outside of our Universe, nor does science make any claims to that effect.

If there was a time/space outside of the Big Bang, then it was a different time/space than the one we have.

If you want to think that a magic space fairy lives outside our universe and poofed the Big Bang into life, that's fine. Nobody in science will say that there is any evidence to the contrary. Science simply doesn't know what happened outside of our Universe. Have fun, go wild, think whatever you want, just don't call it science.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 08:30 am
timberlandko wrote:
All evidence, all the way back to the Planck Horizon, indicate to beyond a reasonable doubt the Big Bang happened, while no evidence contraindicates that conclusion. Conversely, no evidence indicates any supernatural being or condition, and natural laws serve quite well to explain much, and ever increasingly more, and more precisely, with each successive discovery stemming from the entire body of discoveries which form humankind's ever-expanding body of knowleedge.


I'm sure you know this already Timber, but for any who don't, I would like to point out that the Big Bang is the best model we have to explain the evidence we see around us. This is the same with all scientific theories.

But it's just a model. It's the best model for explaining the evidence. If a better naturalistic model is proposed which matches the data better, then it would take preeminent status. Again, this is the nature of the scientific method.

In the case of the BB, the model we currently use is extremely detailed, and correct to a high degree of probability, but it will never be absolute or certain. It's only correct to a degree of tolerance which most knowledgeable people agree is overwhelming.

I suspect that the eventual resolution of QED and Gravity will alter the model slightly and perhaps even result in a paradigm shift for visualizing cosmological events, but one thing is for certain, no degree of paradigm shift will ever alter the philosophical basis which prevents us from concluding it was all done by magic.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 11:51 am
Humans can only rely on what is postulated from observable evidence. Creationists can only ^make only one claim without any evidence to prove their ^postulate. None.

I found the recent finding of a fish that shows it to be the intermediary to mammals very convincing. That´s some of the pieces of the puzzle scientists rely on to further their theories of evolution.
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Im the other one
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 01:38 pm
aperson wrote:
So sorry, but WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?


LMBO!
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Im the other one
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 01:57 pm
timberlandko wrote:
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/492/bunny2wc.gif


I see this little guy everywhere now.

Too cute.
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Im the other one
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 01:58 pm
Chumly wrote:
Here we go again; prove to me there are no jelly donuts on Uranus.


Laughing
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Im the other one
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 02:05 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
If one doesn't want to accept evolution they should consider that there are still monkeys in civilization who are able to pass themselves off as human beings. Look at our President, for example.


heehee, our president.
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Im the other one
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 02:06 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
Oh, but "truth is true." No ****. Whatever drugs this person is on, I want some.


Maybe he's high on God. Razz
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 02:08 pm
Fun in the classroom, our poor teachers...
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Im the other one
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 02:08 pm
brahmin wrote:
can we please close this thread... before it turns into a thesis paper?


I wanna see how many pages we get.
It's like an everlasting gobstopper.
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Im the other one
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 06:41 pm
You go students!!!
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2006 07:06 pm
I'm the other one wrote:
timberlandko wrote:
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/492/bunny2wc.gif


I see this little guy everywhere now.

Too cute.


That "little guy" .gif actually derives from the nearly famous Oolong, the Balancing Bunny. Here's Oolong's website. Its in Japanese, but there are a couple English pages, and all the image links work. One of The Web's folkloric treasures, Oolong passed away peacefully at a respectably-old-for-a-rabbit age a couple years ago, but lives on in cyberspace. There was quite a cyber-memorial service for him - crashed his server.

Perhaps the best-known of Oolong's images on the web is this one:

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/9199/bunny9hj.jpg
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 05:56 am
That image is seriously burned into my brain whenever spendius comes up with one of his "paid by the word," posts.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 05:58 am
farmerman wrote:
That image is seriously burned into my brain whenever spendius comes up with one of his "paid by the word," posts.


Me too. Oolong the bunny may have a lasting impact on the Internet.
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real life
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 07:12 am


Hi Ros,

Sorry, but I have a hard time feeling sorry for these teachers, as described in the article, beset by questioning teenagers.

If they are so ill prepared to teach the subject that the NSTA president stated

Quote:
They're saying they don't know how to respond. ... They haven't done the research the kids have done on this


then maybe they don't belong in the classroom.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 07:21 am
real life wrote:


Hi Ros,

Sorry, but I have a hard time feeling sorry for these teachers, as described in the article, beset by questioning teenagers.

If they are so ill prepared to teach the subject that the NSTA president stated

Quote:
They're saying they don't know how to respond. ... They haven't done the research the kids have done on this


then maybe they don't belong in the classroom.


Teachers shouldn't have to waste valuable class time debating the validity of the subject they have been asked to teach the class.

Students who believe in alchemy are not allowed to disrupt chemistry class.

These teachers are qualified to teach the subject material they have been asked to teach. If the school wants to offer a social studies class which discusses various viewpoints in the society, then they should hire a teacher who has such a background.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 08:42 am
The difficulties faced by American science teachers are being addressed by local science associations. Here is an example:

Quote:
Teaching Darwin & Evolution In Climate Of Controversy
(New York Academy Of Sciences Conference, April 21-22 at John Jay College)

Not since the infamous Scopes "monkey" trial of the 1920's has the controversy over the teaching of evolution exposed deep divides between sections of the American public. The Kansas Board of Education's announcement that intelligent design would be taught alongside evolution ignited a nationwide debate over what constitutes science education and what are actually nonscientific approaches to education. At a time when many studies show that the U.S. lags behind other countries in the quality of its science education, the definition of what science education is and what it is not has more serious ramifications than ever before.

What are the basic tenets of the concept of evolution and how does understanding evolution play an essential role in comprehending science, and in particular, modern biology? How can science educators from elementary schools to college campuses respond to challenges from those who claim that intelligent design is as valid a theory as evolution? How can we prepare and support teachers so that they will be able to teach evolution effectively despite the controversy? How can state and local officials in charge of education policy respond to attempts by religious groups and others who seek to change the investigative nature of science education?

To assist science educators from all levels of American education as well as state and local education officials responsible for their schools' science curriculum respond effectively to the controversy surrounding the teaching of evolution, the New York Academy of Sciences will present a two-day symposium, Teaching Evolution and the Nature of Science, on Friday-Saturday, April 21-22, 2006, at the Gerald W. Lynch Theater, John Jay College of Criminal Justice.
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