(The only unknown is whether or not you have the IQ of a dead flashlight battery).
Lightwizard wrote:real life wrote:Let's see, the Big Bang......
An unknown object/energy source of unknown origin, unknown composition and unknown size/strength was caused for reason(s) unknown to explode.
(At least we think it was an explosion but really we don't have any proof that it was, we simply see objects in the universe that appear to be moving apart from a common point.)
Is this the scientific theory you were referring to?
No proof that you are willing to read about. There's an overwhelming amount of proof -- too much for this forum. Are you living on a desert island?
Well maybe you can educate us then Lightwiz. Fill in some of the unknowns?
What was the unknown object/energy source?
From where did it originate?
What was it composed of?
How large was it?
What caused it to explode?
How do you know it was an explosion and not some other cause that is responsible for the movement of objects in the universe today? (Seems more like a guess, since you have no 'before' to compare with your 'after'.)
What evidence do you have that time or space did NOT exist prior to your postulated event?
Here's something simple for you but, of course, there are texts that are more complicated and unless you are willing to study will not convince you:
http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/universe/b_bang.html
(You are the impossible student -- one a professor would likely fail before the semester was out because you do not want to learn. You want to feed your own ego by declaring that scientific evidence is bunk and I won't consider it).
Lightwizard wrote:There's an overwhelming amount of proof -- too much for this forum.
from the link you posted, it appears that your source differs somewhat from your apparent absolute certainty.
Quote:Although the Big Bang Theory is widely accepted, it probably will never be proved; consequentially, leaving a number of tough, unanswered questions.
The initial source of energy could not be as large as your ego -- this is the bane of modern man, that they are unique in the universe and God created. It's the reason we are in the state we are in and I hope enough people wake up to defer the inevitable.
Here I'll save you some time RL:
We must discard all evidence, all science, all reason, all rationality because if you can't know something for sure, you can't know anything at all, therefore god must be the creator.
Yes, RL -- you do have to have some faith in human intelligence that is greater than yours and accept that they might have the answers you do not have. Is the scientific mind too much for you? When was the last time you were at church and a cleric convinced you that some super being created all that there is to wonder, the Universe, the Earth, human beings? Not lately. I suspected that.
Lightwizard wrote:The initial source of energy could not be as large as your ego -- this is the bane of modern man, that they are unique in the universe and God created. It's the reason we are in the state we are in
The reason you are in the state you are is that you chose to move there. If you don't like it, try one of the Midwestern states, or maybe something down south.
Lightwizard wrote:and I hope enough people wake up to defer the inevitable.
How does one 'defer the inevitable'? Sounds rather difficult. If it's inevitable, how can it be avoided?
Chumly wrote:real life wrote:
What evidence do you have that time or space did NOT exist prior to your postulated event?
Here I'll save you some time RL:
We must discard all evidence, all science, all reason, all rationality because if you can't know something for sure, you can't know anything at all, therefore god must be the creator.
On the contrary, I asked to see your evidence.
Are you saying you have nothing to back your statement?
Surely from the way you stated it , I judged you must have some very solid proof that showed space and time did not exist prior to the Big Bang.
Are you saying you actually have none?
real life wrote:What evidence do you have that time or space did NOT exist prior to your postulated event?
What evidence do you have there are no jelly donuts on (or in) Uranus?
- There you go again with your presuppositions of causation. (ho-hum)
- Do you want me to explain time-space to you? (fun!)
- Would you give it any credence if I did? (not)
Here I'll save you some time RL:
We must discard all evidence, all science, all reason, all rationality because if you can't know something for sure, you can't know anything at all, therefore god must be the creator.
The inevitable is following anything with the semblance of what you suggest. The human race can improve itself but has done a really bad job following religion. Science is not heartless -- it advocates looking at reality and then dealing with life. If you need a faith in something, that's understandable. You're not doing well in explaining anything you are obviously idealistic about. Back to the drawing board.
rl, space, time, and the universe as we observe it came into being with the Big Bang - it is absurd to attempt to describe that outside our sphere of reference using our terms of reference. Whatever, if any, state or condition of being as may have preceeded the Big Bang has no reference in the observable universe of our experience. Once again, space, time, energy, and matter as we observe and experience them came into being with the Big Bang.
All evidence, all the way back to the Planck Horizon, indicate to beyond a reasonable doubt the Big Bang happened, while no evidence contraindicates that conclusion. Conversely, no evidence indicates any supernatural being or condition, and natural laws serve quite well to explain much, and ever increasingly more, and more precisely, with each successive discovery stemming from the entire body of discoveries which form humankind's ever-expanding body of knowleedge.
That you dispute the evidence, the nature of the evidence, and/or the conclusions logically forced by that evidence betrays an ignorance of and disregard for both the evidence and of the discipline of critical thought.
real life wrote:Are you saying you have nothing to back your statement?
None you are ever going to accept because you have an ignorant religious agenda only.
real life wrote:Surely from the way you stated it , I judged you must have some very solid proof that showed space and time did not exist prior to the Big Bang.
None you are ever going to accept because you have an ignorant religious agenda only.
real life wrote:Are you saying you actually have none?
None you are ever going to accept because you have an ignorant religious agenda only.
Well, he's not qualified to dispute the evidence. His take is based on preaching the Gospel. Period. Critical thought? You can't get blood from a turnip.
Here is Real Life's super-secret, super-power method:
Just keep asking why and how, until the other person says I'm not sure, and then say that must mean god exists because you can't prove you know everything.
Pretty deep thinking......
Hey Real Life,
Did god create my electric toothbrush? How can you be sure he didn't?
I wasn't coming back for a month or so, but curiousity got the better of me. Seems like nothing has changed, and creationists have gone on the offensive demanding evidence. So be it, but it doesn't mean that they are exempted from doing the same. Only fair for both sides, but I don't see anything at all from the creationists. Lift your game.
