Evolution? How?

Stevo2 wrote:

I apologise if this question has been asked before on this 900+ page thread, but can some please provide to me evidence of creationism. Not a big ask. Just plain old evidence. I doubt there will be many reply posts with evidence, but I'm always willing to be surprised.
Thank you.

The heavens and the earth are your evidence...I wouldn't believe in creation without 'em...

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Doc

Thanks for that

perl >= (java;.net)

I found that interesting...

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Stevo2 wrote:

I apologise if this question has been asked before on this 900+ page thread, but can some please provide to me evidence of creationism. Not a big ask. Just plain old evidence. I doubt there will be many reply posts with evidence, but I'm always willing to be surprised.
Thank you.

The question's been asked a buncha ways and a buncha times ... pops up every couple dozen pages, at least.

Its generally answered with some variation on or permutation of the following:

RexRed wrote:

The heavens and the earth are your evidence...I wouldn't believe in creation without 'em...

The standard answer is rendered variously with or without scriptural reference masquerading as validation.

Welcome to A2K.

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RexRed wrote:

Doc

Thanks for that

perl >= (java;.net)

I found that interesting...

It's just goofy programmer shorthand for 'Perl is better than both of them'
Razz

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RexRed
That's NOT evidence. And that's extremely lazy. The reason you cannot give a straight answer is because there is no evidence of creationism. Zip, zilch, zero. Surely someone else can do better.

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Stevo2 wrote:

RexRed
That's NOT evidence. And that's extremely lazy. The reason you cannot give a straight answer is because there is no evidence of creationism. Zip, zilch, zero. Surely someone else can do better.

I still think the heavens and the earth are enough evidence... What more do you need?

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The point is that God is both at the same time immense incalculable power to those who believe and also a personal being that communicates with his creation on a one to one basis...

Some see neither of God's attributes... but as with the heavens and the earth they are created because they are obviously here...

God exists not only because we see the evidence of his handiwork he is here because God's true nature is revealed to us through spiritual revelation.

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Doktor S wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Doc

Thanks for that

perl >= (java;.net)

I found that interesting...

It's just goofy programmer shorthand for 'Perl is better than both of them'

Does Perl and .net cross platforms like Java?

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RexRed
The universe, earth and life are the end result. What started it, how was all of this created? I'm interested in facts. I'll narrow the types of evidence down: geological, biological, anthropological, cosmological and historical. We might leave historical out because it's the least reliable.

Sorry if I sounded a bit cranky in my last post ... I was. I'm sick of defending a position that you probably know that I hold, that evolution can explain how you and I got here. I'd like for once to know what evidence there is for creationism, other than you and I exist here talking in cyberspace.

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Stevo2 wrote:

RexRed
The universe, earth and life are the end result. What started it, how was all of this created? I'm interested in facts. I'll narrow the types of evidence down: geological, biological, anthropological, cosmological and historical. We might leave historical out because it's the least reliable.

Sorry if I sounded a bit cranky in my last post ... I was. I'm sick of defending a position that you probably know that I hold, that evolution can explain how you and I got here. I'd like for once to know what evidence there is for creationism, other than you and I exist here talking in cyberspace.

The definition for creation is: Bringing into existence something that has never been before...

Evolution may explain how you and I got here but you still have to explain how existence got here...

God explains that.

God's kingdom has no beginning or end...

From quanta comes creation... We are here because it really happened...

Quanta is not matter or energy it is an isness that is not illusive like space or immovable like matter but fluid, like rivers of pure consciousness that flow through all things and permeates the spiritual with the essence of true virtue and life.

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RexRed
OK, you have belief, but that isn't evidence. Belief ain't evidence. I'm not attacking you as a person, just your belief. There's hundreds of religions in this world, and many have their own creationism stories. Which one is correct? None are. Religion has served a purpose in the evolution of homo sapiens, but it doesn't anymore. Religion has corrupted the world as far as history records, it needs to be discarded.

Back to the evidence RexRed, not faith. If you want to attack evolution, you should have an alternative based upon evidence.

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Stevo2 wrote:

RexRed
OK, you have belief, but that isn't evidence. Belief ain't evidence. I'm not attacking you as a person, just your belief. There's hundreds of religions in this world, and many have their own creationism stories. Which one is correct? None are. Religion has served a purpose in the evolution of homo sapiens, but it doesn't anymore. Religion has corrupted the world as far as history records, it needs to be discarded.

Back to the evidence RexRed, not faith. If you want to attack evolution, you should have an alternative based upon evidence.

I am not attacking evolution I am just saying that existence is proof of creation...

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Stevo2 wrote:

The universe, earth and life are the end result. What started it, how was all of this created? I'm interested in facts. I'll narrow the types of evidence down: geological, biological, anthropological, cosmological and historical. We might leave historical out because it's the least reliable.

Hi Stevo2,
Your question is to the point and will not be answerable; the best any honest believer will (in the end) be able to say is that they rely on faith, and that no evidence exists for their beliefs Cool

Hi RexRed,
Since you are a musician, and I am a musician you must listen to me as one musician must listen to another musician

Why not agree (right here and right now) that your beliefs are fine to have, but your beliefs are not proof of anything, except of your beliefs. Remember "it's just the normal noises in here" Exclamation

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RexRed
I don't think this is going anywhere. Anyone else out there with any evidence?

Losing your belief is pretty difficult, I went through it. I'd probably call myself a humanist and rationalist these days. I also have a high regard for science. Science isn't an alternative religion, it's based on evidence, not faith. And it isn't always correct because it likes to be falsified. That's something that creationism doesn't tolerate.

Bring on the evidence ...

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Stevo2 wrote:

RexRed
I don't think this is going anywhere. Anyone else out there with any evidence?

Losing your belief is pretty difficult, I went through it. I'd probably call myself a humanist and rationalist these days. I also have a high regard for science. Science isn't an alternative religion, it's based on evidence, not faith. And it isn't always correct because it likes to be falsified. That's something that creationism doesn't tolerate.

Bring on the evidence ...

So are you saying that existence disproves creation? You just don't want an answer...

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Existence doesn't tell us how we were created. There's some good theories on how it happened. Science doesn't have an answer for everything, but there are a few good theories. And the definition of a theory isn't a guess.

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RexRed
You have faith and I understand. You might want to explore evolution to see if it has any merits. Do you have an open mind? I'm sure you do. You can still have faith and believe in evolution. Many people do. Often it comes down to a literal interepation of the Bible. That's also a hang-up that many Muslims have about their holy book, the Koran.

Mate, there's no scientific conspiracy here. Just evidence that supports evolution. And why the universe came into being, I don't know. All interesting questions.

Still no evidence from you but I expect an answer from other contributors on this ...

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Here is the proof you are looking for; since the polar bear has no predators, the white coat color of the polar bear cannot be adaptive, therefor it's white coat color must symbolize the purity of the angels, and is a sign from god.
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Also remember one of the polar bear's main foods are seals, and it's Easter. Do you think Easter Seals are simply coincidental? I think not!

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Chumly
It must be getting late in Vancouver. I'm going to visit there one day. You probably understand I get annoyed at creationists that live their 21st Century life based upon science, but ignore certain parts to fit into their faith. It's just not Christians who are going along that path, but also Muslims and a few other world religions. We seem to be heading back into the dark ages, and that scares me. It scares me silly.

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Check out my fave author:

The "Threat" of Creationism

Isaac Asimov on Science and the Bible

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