Evolution? How?

Re: "OOPS"

I remember years ago when I was testing and debugging a simple application program I had written for my wife's Mary Kay business that handled her inventory so as to better observe overall profit/loss. For some reason I got crazy results sometimes and perfect results others. It was maddening. Finally I had to hand trace and calculate different data inputs to track down the error. Guess what? The error was mine and not the computer's execution.

The program was written in IBM BASIC which was, at the time, an "interpreter" and not a "compiler". Both do the same thing (Convert English like computer languages into machine code--one's and zero's--that the processor then executes), but at different times. The program is written as a text file which is then acted upon by one or the other. The difference is that compilers act upon the whole text file at once and test for lexical and syntactical errors while interpreters do this one line of code at a time. Since compilers examine the entire code and its relevance to various instructions and variables they can spot program errors that might cause problems. Specifically one must "declare" the variables that one is going to use at the beginning of the compilation process (variables hold certain values that are capable of changing in the course of the program such as A= the total dollar value of the entire inventory). The BASIC interpreter (where variables can be referred to at any point in the code) lacked this ability in a specific area: when it came across a variable it did not give an error message (like the compiler would definitely do) it just merrily accepted the variable and assigned it the value of zero. Well you can see the potential for disaster here (can you say unknown unknown?). Well, to make a long story even longer, I misspelled the well known (apparently to me only) variable in the line of code towards the end of calculations which involved the multiplication operation so when that variable was used the result was always zero.
It took me days to find this. But this is the beauty of computers! They always do exactly what you tell them! Even dogs don't do this. But beware of what you demand, for you might (but in the case of computers you definitely will) get what you so demand!

Go figure? No, GIGO! (Garbage In Garbage Out)

JM

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I've seen some very strange things on occasions involving my being wired.

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Doktor S wrote:

If 'QT/QM' is your answer, please point out what element of QM/QT contains such a postulation.

Even if RexRed was an expert in quantum mechanics, the most he could intelligently do would be to speculate on the philosophical implications of the random aspects.

Wikipedia wrote:

Quantum mechanics has had many detractors including Albert Einstein and Erwin Schroedinger. Quantum mechanics has had a profound affect on philosophy. Determinism is a philosophical view that the universe is governed by determinism if given a specific state of the universe at a specific time, the future state of the universe is fixed as a matter of natural law. The philosophy of determinism was derived from science, from Newton's laws, and pre-Newtonian physics, in that the ability to predict future outcomes in the universe (such as future position of planets) was made possible by science. Quantum mechanics took away predictability and therefore was a blow to philosophy. However, the main founder of quantum mechanics, Niels Bohr, is said to have a philosophy of determinism similar to the rationalization by Immanuel Kant.

Wikipedia wrote:

Schrödinger's Cat: If the nucleus decays, the geiger counter will sense it and trigger the release of the gas. In one hour, there is a 50% chance that the poisonous gas will be released and kill the cat.Schrödinger's cat is a seemingly paradoxical thought experiment devised by Erwin Schrödinger that attempts to illustrate the incompleteness of an early interpretation of quantum mechanics when going from subatomic to macroscopic systems. The experiment proposes:

A cat is placed in a sealed box. Attached to the box is an apparatus containing a radioactive nucleus and a canister of poison gas. This apparatus is separated from the cat in such a way that the cat can in no way interfere with it. The experiment is set up so that there is exactly a 50% chance of the nucleus decaying in one hour. If the nucleus decays, it will emit a particle that triggers the apparatus, which opens the canister and kills the cat. If the nucleus does not decay, then the cat remains alive. According to quantum mechanics, the unobserved nucleus is described as a superposition (meaning it exists partly as each simultaneously) of "decayed nucleus" and "undecayed nucleus". However, when the box is opened the experimenter sees only a "decayed nucleus/dead cat" or an "undecayed nucleus/living cat."

The question is: when does the system stop existing as a mixture of states and become one or the other? (See basis function.) The purpose of the experiment is to illustrate a paradox; as Schrödinger wrote, "The (wavefunction) for the entire system (has) the living and the dead cat (pardon the expression) mixed or smeared out in equal parts".[1] Because we cannot get along without making classical approximations, quantum mechanics is incomplete without some rules to relate the classical and quantum descriptions. One way of looking at this connection is to say that the wavefunction collapses and the cat becomes dead or remains alive instead of a mixture of both.

The point of view that this thought experiment most clearly refutes is that the laws of physics are different for experiments than for other interactions. An autopsy would (if a thought experiment could actually kill a cat) show a time of death that would be before the opening of the box.

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timberlandko wrote:

I've seen some very strange things on occasions involving my being wired.

Sounds more disconnected... hehe

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James Morrison wrote:

Guess what? The error was mine and not the computer's execution.

No! Really? Whooda thunk?!? Laughing

Yeah, good ol' Basic - if/then/else/goto/peek/poke/get ... and the all important, frequently overlooked or incorrectly placed end Laughing

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And we can't forget arrays..

I need a raise...

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rosborne979 wrote:

real life wrote:
But it is clear that if one critter evolves into another type of critter that at some point in time a line is crossed where papa is A and junior is B. Correct?

No. Incorrect.

Every Papa A is slightly different from Junior B, but both are always the same species.

Then evolution doesn't produce new species, eh?

You are apparently not grasping the question or you would not answer it this way.

I am well aware that evolution postulates lots of little changes over a long period of time that 'add up' to big changes.

At some point in that line of little changes, a definitional line is crossed. An organism is born that no longer fits the definition of A, he fits the definition of B, right? Enough 'little changes' have accumulated to cross from one species to another.

So species A has given birth to the very first critter that fits the definition of B.

Now with respect to viruses the same must be true if you are telling us that they evolve.

Has anyone, in the multi millions of viruses produced , studied etc by scientists all over the world for various reasons, ever seen a virus mutate their way upward into a more complex critter of a different kind?

No.

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Just saw on the news the other night a programing engineer is the number 1 job in America... Better sharpen up.

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RexRed wrote:

Chumly wrote:
I am a guitarist, I am a Dorian mode man.
I don't consider myself a guitarist but just a guitar player. A guitarist is more dedicated to just that instrument I don't rise to that level. Most guitarists wonder how I finger pick so fast though. Although guitar is my main instrument I play and own acoustic and electric guitars, banjo, mandolin, harmonica, ukulele, violin (which I am terrible at), lap steel and piano/organ/synth. I program MIDI like a doctor. I am mostly a singer (tenor from hell) and a writer though. I have the gift to sound like virtually any male and some female singers but I have (over time) found my own sound too. I accompany myself like Cat Stevens type style. Very percussive and rhythmic, aggressive. My leads (when I play them) are slow but with feeling, as in modes, I am all over the place with harmony, purposeful melody and haunting song signatures.

Cool, I do a local high tech solo act, pubs, weddings, etc. I have used MIDI since day one. I know my db's from my quantizing too. I use vocal harmonizers, guitar synth, headset, IEM's, loopers and......

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rl, science has been aware of virii for little more than a century, and have actually been playing with 'em for only a few decades, in a few labs, using a few strains of 'em. Evolution had a planetfull of 'em to play with, in all sortsa varieties, and a few billion years to play with 'em.

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Chumly wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Chumly wrote:
I am a guitarist, I am a Dorian mode man.
I don't consider myself a guitarist but just a guitar player. A guitarist is more dedicated to just that instrument I don't rise to that level. Most guitarists wonder how I finger pick so fast though. Although guitar is my main instrument I play and own acoustic and electric guitars, banjo, mandolin, harmonica, ukulele, violin (which I am terrible at), lap steel and piano/organ/synth. I program MIDI like a doctor. I am mostly a singer (tenor from hell) and a writer though. I have the gift to sound like virtually any male and some female singers but I have (over time) found my own sound too. I accompany myself like Cat Stevens type style. Very percussive and rhythmic, aggressive. My leads (when I play them) are slow but with feeling, as in modes, I am all over the place with harmony, purposeful melody and haunting song signatures.
Cool, I do a local high tech solo act, pubs, weddings, etc. I have used MIDI since day one. I know my db's from my quantizing too. I use vocal harmonizers, guitar synth, headset, IEM's, loopers and......

Very Cool Chumly!

I bought Cakewalk for DOS... I had a DX27 synth hooked through master tracks to a commodore 64 way back in the dinosaur age... All on an 8 track Fostex 80 with 1/4 inch reels.

Now I use Reason and Emulator X (by E-MU)

Cakewalk Pro Studio and an old Yamaha TG500...

I have a Yamaha keyboard master contoller and the E-mu 1820m bundle with gigs of samples.

http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?category=505&subcategory=491&product=13552

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And we can't forget arrays

Right! DIM this Bozo!

Or nested "FOR...NEXT" Loops

I then discovered PASCAL...for 50 bucks I took a chance on Borland's compiler. I had a compiler course that demanded I write a lexical box for a BASIC compiler. PASCAL's structured environment seemed attractive-- Borland made it possible. Good God where are they now?...Oh Well.

JM

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RexRed wrote:

Chumly wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Chumly wrote:
I am a guitarist, I am a Dorian mode man.
I don't consider myself a guitarist but just a guitar player. A guitarist is more dedicated to just that instrument I don't rise to that level. Most guitarists wonder how I finger pick so fast though. Although guitar is my main instrument I play and own acoustic and electric guitars, banjo, mandolin, harmonica, ukulele, violin (which I am terrible at), lap steel and piano/organ/synth. I program MIDI like a doctor. I am mostly a singer (tenor from hell) and a writer though. I have the gift to sound like virtually any male and some female singers but I have (over time) found my own sound too. I accompany myself like Cat Stevens type style. Very percussive and rhythmic, aggressive. My leads (when I play them) are slow but with feeling, as in modes, I am all over the place with harmony, purposeful melody and haunting song signatures.
Cool, I do a local high tech solo act, pubs, weddings, etc. I have used MIDI since day one. I know my db's from my quantizing too. I use vocal harmonizers, guitar synth, headset, IEM's, loopers and......

Very Cool Chumly!

I bought Cakewalk for DOS... I had a DX27 synth hooked through master tracks to a commodore 64 way back in the dinosaur age... All on an 8 track Fostex 80 with 1/4 inch reels.

Now I use Reason and Emulator X (by E-MU)

Cakewalk Pro Studio and an old Yamaha TG500...

I have a Yamaha keyboard master contoller and the E-mu 1820m bundle with gigs of samples.

http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?category=505&subcategory=491&product=13552

For live use I started with a Roland TB303 and TR606 (pre MIDI), went to a Yamaha QX1 and Yamaha DX7 then to a Korg M1 and Roland MC500 II, but that was all years & yesr ago.

For live use now, I go for my Axon AX100 guitar synth, Brian Moore i2.13 guitar, IBM laptop (for MIDI I/O), digital mixing board, a bunch of Roland Rom'plers, Electrix Repeater (looper), Pod XT, Lights, AKG C420 headset, TC Helicon Voice Works Harmonizer, lots of multi-effects processors Lexicon, Roland etc etc all racked up in SKB cases. I have some brand new EV mains and various beasts for power amps QSC, Peavey. There is lots more but you get the drift; play and sing popular tunes of the day, have them dance, go home happy!

I have tons more great stuff floating about the house Fender, Ovation, Gibson Korg, Roland, Yamaha but the above is what I mainly use live.

.......toys for the boys..........

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JamesMorrison wrote:

Quote:
And we can't forget arrays

Right! DIM this Bozo!

Or nested "FOR...NEXT" Loops

I then discovered PASCAL...for 50 bucks I took a chance on Borland's compiler. I had a compiler course that demanded I write a lexical box for a BASIC compiler. PASCAL's structured environment seemed attractive-- Borland made it possible. Good God where are they now?...Oh Well.

JM

Doug seemed to like 4tran (spelling) I think he called it... But Java has my eye and what about this .net stuff?...

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So sorry, but WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?

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Rex is trying to avoid answering my question by diverting the topic to computer programming.
By the way, perl >= (java;.net)
And fortran is seriously oldskool.

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I apologise if this question has been asked before on this 900+ page thread, but can some please provide to me evidence of creationism. Not a big ask. Just plain old evidence. I doubt there will be many reply posts with evidence, but I'm always willing to be surprised.
Thank you.

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Chumly wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Chumly wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Chumly wrote:
I am a guitarist, I am a Dorian mode man.
I don't consider myself a guitarist but just a guitar player. A guitarist is more dedicated to just that instrument I don't rise to that level. Most guitarists wonder how I finger pick so fast though. Although guitar is my main instrument I play and own acoustic and electric guitars, banjo, mandolin, harmonica, ukulele, violin (which I am terrible at), lap steel and piano/organ/synth. I program MIDI like a doctor. I am mostly a singer (tenor from hell) and a writer though. I have the gift to sound like virtually any male and some female singers but I have (over time) found my own sound too. I accompany myself like Cat Stevens type style. Very percussive and rhythmic, aggressive. My leads (when I play them) are slow but with feeling, as in modes, I am all over the place with harmony, purposeful melody and haunting song signatures.
Cool, I do a local high tech solo act, pubs, weddings, etc. I have used MIDI since day one. I know my db's from my quantizing too. I use vocal harmonizers, guitar synth, headset, IEM's, loopers and......

Very Cool Chumly!

I bought Cakewalk for DOS... I had a DX27 synth hooked through master tracks to a commodore 64 way back in the dinosaur age... All on an 8 track Fostex 80 with 1/4 inch reels.

Now I use Reason and Emulator X (by E-MU)

Cakewalk Pro Studio and an old Yamaha TG500...

I have a Yamaha keyboard master contoller and the E-mu 1820m bundle with gigs of samples.

http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?category=505&subcategory=491&product=13552
For live use I started with a Roland TB303 and TR606 (pre MIDI), went to a Yamaha QX1 and Yamaha DX7 then to a Korg M1 and Roland MC500 II, but that was all years & yesr ago.

For live use now, I go for my Axon AX100 guitar synth, Brian Moore i2.13 guitar, IBM laptop (for MIDI I/O), digital mixing board, a bunch of Roland Rom'plers, Electrix Repeater (looper), Pod XT, Lights, AKG C420 headset, TC Helicon Voice Works Harmonizer, lots of multi-effects processors Lexicon, Roland etc etc all racked up in SKB cases. I have some brand new EV mains and various beasts for power amps QSC, Peavey. There is lots more but you get the drift; play and sing popular tunes of the day, have them dance, go home happy!

I have tons more great stuff floating about the house Fender, Ovation, Gibson Korg, Roland, Yamaha but the above is what I mainly use live.

.......toys for the boys..........

Wow I bet you sound nice there.

When I sing and play guitar I am probably a purest in the sense that I use only a little reverb and big peavey SP2 monitors BW equipped. I don't EQ my acoustic guitar to sound thin and midrange (like MTV unplugged)... I keep a full sound. I break about six strings night.

I have had people tell me that I sounded like a whole band from outside and one guy who came into a port I was singing in he was doing the Blue Nose Ferry gig from Bar Harbor to Nova Scotia (I hate boats), he said my guitar thundered from outside. Another guy came up to me and told me ever time he heard me singing in the bar he couldn't stop himself from coming in to hear me. There was the woman who dropped a twenty into my hat and hollered over the crowd in my ear, "Your nights in white satin did something for me".

Then there was the anonymous note I found in my tip jar... "I want your hmm hmm in my haa haa..."

hehe

I have had a person come up to me and tell me they finally knew what an acoustic guitar really sounded like live. I had a lady drop a diamond and black onyx ring in my hat and tell me "I just have to do it, it came from Switzerland!"

I have had so many memorable nights with such wonderful people that I can tell Einstein that the stars are like a blur across the sky... the people are the real stars. I have never played for a dumb audience.
I've played in trains, performing arts centers, coffee houses, bars, cafe's, big bars and dining areas outdoor all day and night jams. To name only a few. I have had standing ovations of over 400 people twice in my life... (I almost fell over and died during one of them.) ha

Then there are those special people who really listen. I wouldn't exchange being an entertainer for nothing.

There is being a music performing major in th university of Maine at Orono till I got bored and left for work in the private sector. (I attended college while I was in high school and before I graduated high school I had already finished fundamentals, harmony, history of western music and appreciation. I didn't need to be taught perfect pitch...
I have never been able to achieve in the studio what I have done out live...

I have been booked before as "the man who knows a thousand songs..."

And I can play a thousand songs I guess.

I have toured Canada and Vermont and sung from the choir loft at Notre Dam church in Toronto Canada . (Yes, there are hundreds of dragons painted on the ceiling.)

I have so many stories it is like Jackson Brown's lyric.

"It's just another town along the road..."

And the beat goes on...

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Doktor S wrote:

Rex is trying to avoid answering my question by diverting the topic to computer programming.
By the way, perl >= (java;.net)
And fortran is seriously oldskool.

If you could get real specific and please ask the question again I will answer as best I can...

If it seems I was avoiding the question maybe I might have been I am sorry if that is the case...

Maybe I was avoiding a deep spiritual answer that you may not want to hear...

There was something about fortran that Doug liked... (but anywho)

I knew Java and .net were linked somehow...

They say Windows Vista may be moving away from .net.

I read an article about it.

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If I was going to learn a computer language inside and out it would maybe be Java. (any suggestions?) Doug learned C++ in one year of studying at home... I know some HTML but I like to use Microsoft Front Page to supply most of the tables and stuff but I am good with cutting and pasting code. I learned to code some C in POVray (Persistence of Vision ray tracer) and Cakewalk's cal language scripts.

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