Evolution? How?

Einstein used to sit and wonder about why the stars in the sky were not blurred... if they moved light years ago why do we see them so clearly... Why haven't they left light "trails"...

Can anyone explain this?

I certainly do not begrudge a scientist who has spent their entire life studying equations their opinion.

I value these opinions but their conclusions are not always right especially when it has to do with energy (heaven) and matter (earth).

They once heralded the atom as the smallest particle of matter...

Then they redraw the line with sub atomic particles...

Then quarks, etc...

Why draw any lines? Why limit possibility?

I know I have been an antagonist the last few days in this thread..

I just sometimes see you all with the picture held too close to your face, arguing day after day.

You are arguing about mutations and external forces etc.. over and over and trying to find intelligent design, creation or evolution in that?

I am saying that you can only find one type of reality looking that way.
And when you consider atomic evolution you stand back from your silted river beds and get your hands out of the dirt and you look into a deeper understanding of the "origin of life"... Your sterile, myopic view is missing the physical elements that sustain any true argument on how life "evolved"...

When I bring up these physical attributes as to what makes up everything I am treated as if I am "dreaming" well atoms are not dreams... they exist and evolution has to fit within their dictates not the other way around... To assume that atoms are not just another living breathing level of evolution is disconnected from "reality"...

What is an atom but matter and energy that holds information inside?

What is biological reproduction but matter and energy with information inside?

What is a human being but matter and energy with information inside?

Def. of information
in·for·ma·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nfr-mshn) n.

Knowledge derived from study, experience, or instruction.

Knowledge of specific events or situations that has been gathered or received by communication; intelligence or news. See Synonyms at knowledge.

A collection of facts or data: statistical information.

The act of informing or the condition of being informed; communication of knowledge: Safety instructions are provided for the information of our passengers.

Computer Science. Processed, stored, or transmitted data.
A numerical measure of the uncertainty of an experimental outcome.

Comment: Information is intelligence...

Thus: "intelligent design"...

You can stop talking to yourself now.

Has anyone really analyzed the three (main) positions in this thread? There is RL who I sense believes in creation. Then there is a large portion of you who all believe in evolution (because this forum is often left minded individuals.). Then me on the other side saying saying heck we did not come only from apes we evolved (were created) from God, words, geometry, atoms, chemistry, rocks, biology, plants, animals, apes, humans...

So rather than an instantaneous beginning of RL I propose it was slow and gradual. (Yet I wonder what is slow and gradual means to God?)

The people in the middle (scientists) can't have it both ways. (They can try though...)

They refuse the God that can instantly create things and they refuse to see the God that is deep within all matter and energy...

Is this part of what make matter and energy in the first place? The solid and the ethereal? Both exist and both are true.

That RL and I (and others) represent the energy of this discussion and you are all the matter? (or vise versa). Together we ALL make up a particle (discourse) that (can) travels though time. This reality is the physical and metaphysical record of perspectives that never ends.

If God can create one drop he can create and entire ocean...

translation:
I've read a couple of geocities websites that used the word 'quantum physics' a lot, then molded this bit of surface knowledge to fit into my fantastical web of self induced delusion.
Or something to that effect..

At least, that is what could be concluded from what you have posted here, rex. If you have any knowledge of QT you have yet to display it in any post I've ever read. So you can understand when I ask you for evidence of a non-natural realm (or supernatural) your use of the tactic 'it's true because quantum physics says so' just doesn't cut the mustard.

How about if you stop trying to tell me what to say or not to say?

Maybe people are just listening? If you don't want to listen don't read...

When I am done (or even while I am) making my point, if people want to pick apart what I have said and reason then so be it. (I want them to, I intend to challenge them to this or hold their peace.) If they don't respond then they are unsure and don't feel confidently enough on their own position to openly debate... (Or they think I am so totally off base which still requires a well reasoned response to the particular points that I have proposed.)

As I sense you are.... unsure of your position.

When the library door in the asylum is left open and the computer unlocked, you just don't know what to expect. No, your looney tunes posts don't really required any response -- you've made that impossible by using your talent of writing stuff just barely this side of gibberish.

I'm not unsure of my position Rex.I don't give an on the wing fornication.

It's no go the Yogi man
It's no go Blavatsky
All we want is a bank balance
And a bit of skirt in a taxi.

Louis MacNeice.

Or,if you prefer Cervantes

No work,pots of ale,soft beds and voluptuous women.

I'll refrain from Henry Miller and Frank Harris on this occasion.

Hi LW,
I can't/won't/don't read most of it, it's too hard to distill any degree of rationality.

No actually I lived with a electrical engineer for about 15 years... I left college to study with him. His name was Doug Cyr he was born in Van Buren Maine and his mother was a school teacher up there. Doug got his electrical engineers masters degree at the University of Maine at Orono and spent a couple years after as a grad student. (He went to school with Stephen King.) Then Doug opened a successful audio electronics shop with several engineers in-house in downtown Bangor Maine and operated it for for 15 years. Then he became a computer programmer and started a company in Bangor named PCG (Professional Computer Group). I met him after his 15 years with the audio repair shop. Doug was the one who taught me how to soldier and he imparted vast amounts of knowledge to me. I was not a damn fool. He explained on paper with drawings and diagrams (I still have them) how electricity worked and how the physical world was all interconnected. He was a Frenchman and spoke Acadian French. He was the real deal...

He "wrote" and maintained the software programs for Eastern Maine Medical Center and for a veterinary clinic. He helped write some of the first maritime code for global positioning satellites and they wrote the first PC based software to fully automate a radio station (WEEI on top of the Prudential building in Boston.) I saw once in Doug's shop a prototype of the very first sound card. It was made by Creative Labs there were only two of them in existence and Doug had one of them... It was to go in a computer with software Doug wrote in C++ to later be installed atop WEEI for broadcast purposes. I know this stuff because I was part of the team that pulled the project off. 10 studio engineers lost their jobs the day Doug walked out of WEEI... The entire radio station became run by one man... Shall I go on? I have volumes...

I was talking in depth about neutrinos 20 years ago.

I have other vast sources of knowledge too, I have always been involved in technology all of my life.

It is better to have a problem solving mind than to just perpetuate an argument...

Interesting, Rex - seems we have a little bit in common. Not to say, however, that my impression of your grasp of science and the rest of reality has been affected in the least.

Very impressive!

You are much more educated I am sure in the field of broadcast than I. I am a writer/entertainer deep thinker so I need to observe and make sense of the things I have seen and learned from people like you... Doug told me once that I did not want to know all the technical stuff because he believed I belonged out front, just singing my songs and strumming my guitar. Leave the technical stuff to the technical people but I needed to know what to say... and that was my responsibility as a recording artist... as a "vocalist" and as a voice...

I am not really a traditional scientist, I am a poet...

I never could sing or play any instrument more ambitious than a tambourine, but I'm a wicked board operator - always liked production and engineering - I just really enjoy tech stuff in general, and had the good fortune to spend my working life in out-front tech, apart from broadcast, cable, satellite and studio stuff. Lotsa early 'puter stuff and kept moving in that direction. I ain't any good at poetry, either, though I enjoy reading some poets.

Are you familiar with a Marketron?

A giant computer that generates the daily logs?

Marketron is more than a log generator - they're a top-flght electronic media information and asset management and solutions outfit. Quite familiar with 'em and their software products.

In Doug's setup the Marketron sent the daily log to the touch screen. A program called Oplog that Doug wrote... It could be overridden by the user but it displayed and was recorded as to how long a commercial or event was played. The computer was synced to cart tape machines and a prototype 100 CD carousel (from Pioneer) that new software had to be written to utilize it was so new (there were only two of them too.)

The whole setup worked in Bangor Maine but when we got it atop the Prudential it was having bad problems.

I had been there when it was being installed but while it was being tested I was down at the Sheridan pool sipping on cocktails...

Doug came down and was sweating thumb tacks. The main investor was going to shoot him. The computer was only getting bits and pieces of the Marketron's log. hehe

And of course I was the audio guy. My first question to Doug was if it all worked in Bangor what is the only thing that has been changed in the whole equation. He said the wire from the Marketron was much longer to the PC. I said it must be getting interference I asked him if he was using shielded wire. He said no.

He went back they replaced the wire in an hour and presto. It turned out it was electrical interference from the elevator.

Thats what quad-shield RG11 is for

Haha