Evolution? How?

I don't know any rational logical person using evolution to disprove god per se. I do know rational logical people that challenge creationists to demonstrate proof of creationism. The two are not the same thing.

Chumly wrote:

Scientists are just people. They do not conspire to have subversive agendas.

Yes I know. Science will be used to mans own will as will Religion. I am pointing out the foolishness of using evolution as a science to disprove god.

Like the foolishness of using Religion to disprove science. It's the argument of kids in the schoolyard.

I don't know any rational logical person using evolution to disprove god per se. I do know rational logical people that challenge creationists to demonstrate proof of creationism. The two are not the same thing.

Chumly wrote:

I don't know any rational logical person using evolution to disprove god per se. I do know rational logical people that challenge creationists to demonstrate proof of creationism. The two are not the same thing.

How do you prove or disprove "Faith". That is is what I am talking about. That is what alot of people on this thread are talking about.

RexRed wrote:

Chumly wrote:

How do you propose your "giants" could "spontaneously" appear?

Even "if" God did not create the human body/heavens and earth in a finite time frame of 6 days it still is rather evident that species have all undergone radical changes and not one single species has left a clue as to how such metamorphosis from one kind of animal to another has happened.

Considering that these changes have happened for each species at a "different time" it cannot be completely assumed that there is a missing "period" of time but each species individually has at one point changed into a "different animal". What is really weird is that the probability of every fossil record being totally lost of each species change while they happened "at different times" all over the globe leaves the mind in a sort of perpetual perplexity...

The distinction between kind and species has never been broken...

Ge 1:11
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Kind/Species...

Evolution within species?

Is the Bible saying there a time "before" when creatures were not "after their own kind"?

Your disordered wanderings have nothing to do with my question, so I'll pose it again for your reading pleasure:

How do you propose your "giants" could "spontaneously" appear?

It seems they've suckered you, as well.

Chumly wrote:

RexRed wrote:

Chumly wrote:

How do you propose your "giants" could "spontaneously" appear?

Even "if" God did not create the human body/heavens and earth in a finite time frame of 6 days it still is rather evident that species have all undergone radical changes and not one single species has left a clue as to how such metamorphosis from one kind of animal to another has happened.

Considering that these changes have happened for each species at a "different time" it cannot be completely assumed that there is a missing "period" of time but each species individually has at one point changed into a "different animal". What is really weird is that the probability of every fossil record being totally lost of each species change while they happened "at different times" all over the globe leaves the mind in a sort of perpetual perplexity...

The distinction between kind and species has never been broken...

Ge 1:11
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Kind/Species...

Evolution within species?

Is the Bible saying there a time "before" when creatures were not "after their own kind"?

Your disordered wanderings have nothing to do with my question, so I'll pose it again for your reading pleasure:

How do you propose your "giants" could "spontaneously" appear?

And you are the model of order?
Humbug!

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB114436537563919417-2SeevT9LrELO0e2AWr5cVOVeLBg_20060506.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top

Setanta wrote:

It seems they've suckered you, as well.

I am trying to stand my ground. I have no religious beliefs. It would be presumptuous of me to say that I am a man of science, but it is my strong inclination.

Amigo wrote:

Chumly wrote:

Scientists are just people. They do not conspire to have subversive agendas.

Yes I know. Science will be used to mans own will as will Religion. I am pointing out the foolishness of using evolution as a science to disprove god.

Like the foolishness of using Religion to disprove science. It's the argument of kids in the schoolyard.

To which, in reply:

Chumly wrote:

I don't know any rational logical person using evolution to disprove god per se. I do know rational logical people that challenge creationists to demonstrate proof of creationism. The two are not the same thing.

Basically, you've got the bible-thumpers running you in circles here. Ese, Beaner . . . only the bible-thumpers claim that science wants to disprove the existence of god--it is not to be considered the agenda of any scientists, with the exception of a scientist who was also a militant anti-theist or anti-religionist, which only be coincidental to being a scientist. It is, however, extremely important to the propaganda of the anti-evolution crowd to get as many fervent believers in god as possible to also believe that science has as its primary objective to disprove the existence of god. It seems they've suckered you, as well.

Hi i'm new.

This may have been suggested (I havn't checked all the pages), but why can't you believe in evolution and god simultaneously? I know someone who believes in what science can explain, and let's God explain what science cannot.

Hi i'm new.

This may have been suggested (I havn't checked all the pages), but why can't you believe in evolution and god simultaneously? I know someone who believes in what science can explain, and let's God explain what science cannot.

RexRed wrote:

Chumly wrote:

RexRed wrote:

Chumly wrote:

How do you propose your "giants" could "spontaneously" appear?

Even "if" God did not create the human body/heavens and earth in a finite time frame of 6 days it still is rather evident that species have all undergone radical changes and not one single species has left a clue as to how such metamorphosis from one kind of animal to another has happened.

Considering that these changes have happened for each species at a "different time" it cannot be completely assumed that there is a missing "period" of time but each species individually has at one point changed into a "different animal". What is really weird is that the probability of every fossil record being totally lost of each species change while they happened "at different times" all over the globe leaves the mind in a sort of perpetual perplexity...

The distinction between kind and species has never been broken...

Ge 1:11
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Kind/Species...

Evolution within species?

Is the Bible saying there a time "before" when creatures were not "after their own kind"?

Your disordered wanderings have nothing to do with my question, so I'll pose it again for your reading pleasure:

How do you propose your "giants" could "spontaneously" appear?

And you are the model of order?
Humbug!

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB114436537563919417-2SeevT9LrELO0e2AWr5cVOVeLBg_20060506.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top

What does your question "And you are the model of order?" have to do with me asking you to substantiate "How do you propose your "giants" could "spontaneously" appear?"

So again I ask you:

"How do you propose your "giants" could "spontaneously" appear?"

Chumly wrote:

Setanta wrote:

It seems they've suckered you, as well.

I am trying to stand my ground. I have no religious beliefs. It would be presumptuous of me to say that I am a man of science, but it is my strong inclination.

I was addressing Amigo--which is why i used the endearment "Beaner."

If a singularity occurs in the forest, and no one is there to witness the event, does it make any temporal distortions?

aperson wrote:

Hi i'm new.

This may have been suggested (I havn't checked all the pages), but why can't you believe in evolution and god simultaneously? I know someone who believes in what science can explain, and let's God explain what science cannot.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this thesis. A theory of evolution does not stipulate cosmic origins. Young earth creationists would have everyone believe that it does, because the geological time scale which is one of the foundational assumptions of a theory of evolution is in direct contradiction to a young earth creationism view point, i.e., that the world's age numbers in thousands, and not billions, of years. Therefore, the more fervent of the fundamentalist young earth creationists attempt to rabble rouse by claiming that "the big bang" is essential to a theory of evolution, and that science wants to disprove the existence of god. They want to alarm the faithful.

It is entirely possible to believe that a deity created the cosmos, and that evolution is the mechanism which said deity employed to develop life forms on this planet. Religion and science can co-exist, except when the religion is unswervingly devoted to a young earth creationist view.