Evolution? How?

You're asking a lot of vague and tendentious questions there--some are quite hilarious. For exeample, asking if we "came from monkeys." Monkeys are not great apes, therefore, monkeys and man have a common ancestor, very, very far back. Additionally, there are old world and new world monkeys, which strongly suggests that the divide between the line which leads to monkeys and ramepithecus (sp?) is quite ancient.

This is, however, typical of a bible-thumper technique. Fill the heads of the credulous full of what is to them alarming nonsenese, such as a claim that a theory of evolution posits the descent of man from "monkeys," and whatever you do, give the kiddies no sound basis in logical thought, and discourage questioning and investigation.

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Eorl wrote:

I'm the other one wrote:
Chumly wrote:
I am not satisfied at all knowing that we will feed the worms after death, it pisses me off big time!

Well atleast you are one atheist I've met who doesn't care for the idea, lol.

The point is that few people actually like the idea of death as the end. It's just that some of us would prefer to accept the truth than cling desperately to a fantasy.

To me, you guys look like kids who still believe in certain yuletide characters way into their teens. It's very similar thing...who doesn't want to believe in that stuff? It's wonderful ! but there comes a time when you have to face the facts.

You know, it's funny about what you said about the yuletide characters, because I don't think of such things. they seem so much different when you have faith. I've walked away before, maybe not altogether, but I was pretty far away from him when I took the plunge into Witchcraft, but he brought me back. I think he let me realize just much different dark is from light.

When I was a kid, I would pretend to believe in Santa and such as long as I could just to get more presents. Smile

It worked.

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Pauligirl wrote:

I'm the other one wrote:

Wow, alot of information. Thanks.

I keep seeing charts everywhere suggesting that we all have a common ancestor. D you feel this way?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/11/1118_041118_ape_human_ancestor.html
In Spain scientists have discovered 13-million-year-old fossils of new species of ape. The species may have been the last common ancestor of humans and all great apes living today

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Thanks Pauligirl.

What I always wondered is how they can carbon date things back this far. I know there's other forms of dating, but isn't this one of the most popular ways?

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Setanta wrote:

I'm the other one wrote:
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Actually, pre-human species in our ancestry had small brain cases than we do.

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Larger brain cases are no longer necessary.

In the same post.

See? Christians aren't the only ones who talk in circles!

Your inability to follow a coherent series of statements is not evidence of circular reasoning on my part. As our ancestors proceeded from earlier models to the present hot rod we inhabit, the size of the brain case grew to accomodate more of the gray matter which was making the animal more effective. However, two factors have impinged since the size of human brain cases reached their greatest extent--and the most significant is that humans have removed their memory and understanding to places external to the body--libraries, etc. Which means that it is no longer evolutionarily necessary to keep increasing the size of the brain case--hence, the statement that larger brain cases are no longer necessary.

Is it true that evolutions believe that we as humans are getting smarter, bigger, and stronger?

Such as a superhuman in the near future.

I like futurama.

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Eorl wrote:

I'm the other one wrote:

I keep seeing charts everywhere suggesting that we all have a common ancestor. D you feel this way?

Here's the crux of the problem. If you stop thinking about how you "feel" and work out what you "know". This is absolutely critical to understanding the difference between scientific rational thought and religious belief based thought.

I would be great if, instead of starting with a conclusion and trying to make everything fit what you believe, for now just collect facts...not from theologians whose business is belief, but from scientists whose interest is not in dispelling belief but in determining facts.

That's what I'm tryng to do anymore. Get to the truth of the matter.

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It all just zips right over yer head, don't it Bubba?

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Setanta wrote:

You're asking a lot of vague and tendentious questions there--some are quite hilarious. For exeample, asking if we "came from monkeys." Monkeys are not great apes, therefore, monkeys and man have a common ancestor, very, very far back. Additionally, there are old world and new world monkeys, which strongly suggests that the divide between the line which leads to monkeys and ramepithecus (sp?) is quite ancient.

This is, however, typical of a bible-thumper technique. Fill the heads of the credulous full of what is to them alarming nonsenese, such as a claim that a theory of evolution posits the descent of man from "monkeys," and whatever you do, give the kiddies no sound basis in logical thought, and discourage questioning and investigation.

Excuse me Settie.

Monkeys and apes all go pretty much hand in hand if you look at it from a human's point of view.

I was going to say "ape" but of course you would have something snide to that comment also.

You must have came from some form of monkey the way you like to fling dung on just about everybody.

You're remarks are quite discourging I must say. So please, before you continue any further, keep in mind that I am new at this and you wouldn't want to be the blame for making me stop. I doub't you'd even care.

I've actually been respectful, so don't ruin it for someone who is trying to learn.

Thank you.

You spelled "example" incorrectly.
As well as "nonsense".

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I do like your puppy however.

Is he one of your common ancestors?

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My name is not "Settie," nor is your whining warranted. You claim to wish to learn, and have demonstrated a facade of wishing to do so, although no one here can know if that is genuine on your part. You have also constantly trotted out utter crap, such as suggesting: "Monkeys and apes all go pretty much hand in hand if you look at it from a human's point of view." That is not at all a correct statement--humans and the great apes are in the same evolutionary family, monkeys are on a different branch.

Your "respectfulness" is a lot less evident than you claim it to be, and your snide remarks are evidence to that effect. You needn't attempt to give me orders about what i should or shouldn't do.

I am certain, though, that this dog and you do not have a common ancestor, as i know this dog to be both perceptive and intelligent.

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I'm The Other One,

There is a common misunderstanding about man being descended from apes. Actually, man and ape share a common ancestor. That common ancestor has long become extinct. 98% of all life forms that have existed on earth are now extinct.

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Setanta wrote:

My name is not "Settie," nor is your whining warranted. You claim to wish to learn, and have demonstrated a facade of wishing to do so, although no one here can know if that is genuine on your part. You have also constantly trotted out utter crap, such as suggesting: "Monkeys and apes all go pretty much hand in hand if you look at it from a human's point of view." That is not at all a correct statement--humans and the great apes are in the same evolutionary family, monkeys are on a different branch.

Your "respectfulness" is a lot less evident than you claim it to be, and your snide remarks are evidence to that effect. You needn't attempt to give me orders about what i should or shouldn't do.

I am certain, though, that this dog and you do not have a common ancestor, as i know this dog to be both perceptive and intelligent.

What is it with you Set?

I mean if you need to get laid or something, I know this girl down the street that...

Nevermind.

Honestly Set, I apologize. You will hear no more slander from me. I don't recall saying anything to you before you started, but that's ok.

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On a public forum, you are writing to everyone on that forum and anyone can reply. If you want private messages to a particular person not available to public view, use primate messaging...er, I mean private messaging.

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I'm the other one wrote:

Thanks Pauligirl.

What I always wondered is how they can carbon date things back this far. I know there's other forms of dating, but isn't this one of the most popular ways?

I hear internet dating works well

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I'm the other one wrote:

OKay, I have a quick question before going back and responding to the others.

Do you evolutionists still go by these things to support your theory:

Whales and snakes having hind legs

Several cetaecean species do have vestigial leg and foot bones, detached from the contiguous skeketal structure, embedded within the flesh of the flippers and tails. Numerous species of snakes do have pelvic girdles, and evidence structure of a nature which only could have been due to attachment of lower appendages - legs, and consequently, feet.

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fetuses have gill slits

In the early stages of development, all mammalian fetuses evidence a gill-like structure, morphologically identical to such structure in contemporary fish and amphibians, which in various species proceeds to express in a variety of ways as the organism matures in utero. This universal characteristic is not exclusive to mammals, it occurs without exeption in avians as well.

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the peppered moth

only ID-iots cling to the notion, actual science determined and exposed the error of that bit of misinterpretation long ago.

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the horse evolution chart

Not sure what you're getting at here; the appearance and further development of the genus Hippus clearly shows the relationship among and shared heritage of horses, hippos, cetaceans, and other critters both extant and extinct. There is no doubt or confusion anywhere but among those determined to attempt defense of ID-iocy.

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our appendix is not needed

So what? Neither is our hair. Another red herring.

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we evolved from fish

A red herring of the misconstrual school; it is clear all land animals derive from an aquatic proto-ancestor.

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[Darwism

Yet another misconstrual - a silly labeling of established scientific fact, a labeling perpetrated by those who sense their medeival superstitions threatened by evidence, logic, and reason.

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we evolved from fish

We've already been there - but then that you might revisit the notion is unsurprising; when chasing one's own tail, one of necessity repeatedly encounters the same things in one's travels.

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we came from monkeys

Yet another red herring - this a red herring of conscious duplicity; no such assertion is made nor even implied by any legitimate interpretation of the evolutionary record. Only ID-iots persist in the nonsense of trotting out this particular bit of ignorance.

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and do you think carbon dating is always and/or 100% accurate?

Irrelevant and non sequitur; there are many methods of carbon dating, and many other methods of dating - the margin-of-error of all is well understood, accounted for, and acknowledged openly. What is most pertinent is the congruence and agreement of diverse dating methodologies, which when employed alongside one another in examination of a given sample serve more than adequately to confirm the accuracy of each, each within its own limitations.

Of particular note is that ID-iots, as opposed to producing any legitimate evidence whatsoever supportive of their absurd proposition, succeed by their protestations, based on nothing more than their erroneous, superstitious, assumptive preferences, predicated upon the central absurdity of their foundational illicit premis, only in exposing their own ignorance of science, consequent to their rejection of critical thought and intellectual honesty.

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What percentage of the knowledge of the universes from here to Infinity do Scientist have.

1% of infinity? No, thats way to much.

.00001% of the knowledge of the universes of infinity? Still to much

How about .0000000000000000000000001 % of the knowledge of our own galaxy? Still we would be giving them to much credit.

Scientist can't cure a cold. We learned how to split the Atom from a scientist THAT BELIEVES IN GOD. But instead of using it for energy we blow up OUR OWN PLANET.

Every six months the scientist come out and say "Stop eating the butter it's bad for you, eat the margerine." then they come back in 6 months and say "Don't eat the margerine it's bad for you eat the butter."

Scientist are going to tell me that cavemen are proof that god doesn't exist but they can't cure my cold?Scientist are cavemen.

They laughed at there own scientist about the existence of planet X because they could't see it and it was there the whole time.

Scientist are more of a case for the existence of god then they are a case against it.

"The subject - the place of humans in the universe - is a challenge. To the scientific way of thinking, humans no more have a "place" in the scheme of things than hamsters or harp seals. The universe itself may be an incomprehensible event, and life a so far unexplained one, but scientists see no ladder of creation with humans at the pinnacle. They can see no "purpose" in being. We are here because we are here, a lucky accident - lucky for us - but there was nothing inevitable about the evolution of humanity, or its survival. God is not part of the explanation."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1034872,00.html

People running there mouth about evolution against god are stroking their superiority complex.

"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being." -Albert Einstein

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Scientists are just people. They do not conspire to have subversive agendas.

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Amigo wrote:

Scientist are going to tell me that cavemen are proof that god doesn't exist but they can't cure my cold?Scientist are cavemen.

fossil humans don't prove God doesn't exist, only that the Bible isn't literally true.

if scientists are cavemen, they're cavemen who managed to cure polio and smallpox. and don't count science out when it comes to the common cold; there's ongoing research into finding a cure. it hasn't happened yet mainly because the common cold has many strains, making it difficult to create a vaccine that protects against all of them.

here's an article on the cold:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinovirus

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Chumly wrote:

Scientists are just people. They do not conspire to have subversive agendas.

Yes I know. Science will be used to mans own will as will Religion. I am pointing out the foolishness of using evolution as a science to disprove god.

Like the foolishness of using Religion to disprove science. It's the argument of kids in the schoolyard.

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I don't know any rational logical person using evolution to disprove god per se. I do know rational logical people that challenge creationists to demonstrate proof of creationism. The two are not the same thing.

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I found myself nodding in agreement with this

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Tiktaalik will add to the problems of strict creationists, who believe the world was created by God quickly, and not so very long ago. But there's still plenty of room for respectful coexistence between those who believe that evolution is a gift of God and those who believe it is a rational and replicable scientific theory.

The most exciting part of Tiktaalik's discovery is seeing scientists at work.

link

I think it's wonderful that we all continue to have the opportunity to learn new things every day. One of the joys of nature and science.

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