Evolution? How?

Lightwizard wrote:

Where did religion come from? Our ancient ancestors were in fear of nature and they felt they had to worship whatever force was causing storms, the rising of the sun, the moon, the stars, fires, death -- you name it. They hoped it would appease an angry "God" from singling them out for destruction. They eventually went so far as to sacrifice animals and other humans to appease the figment of their fearful imagination. There's various reasons for people to have evolved and still need a "big Daddy" up in space to help them through life. Fear of randomness is the chief culprit.

This post was passed over. were on page 800+. Lightwizard has touched on something in our nature and we pass it by as if it were nothing.

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Uhh..that is hardly an original idea.
Although I would for the most part agree with it, there is nothing new or profound there.

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What do you have to contribute "doctor". You have dropped out of the human race. Where we fall short you are their to capitalize. You are no team player.

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Dok, You may find LW's post without anything new or profound in his article, but it helps to remind us how primitive our ancestors were during that age of human civilization. Many cultures also gave sacrifices to appease the gods for a good harvest and/or to thank the gods for a good harvest. Some even gave human sacrifices. Just goes to show that in some areas of human behavior, we have come a long ways.

When we consider the fact that wars, racial bigotry, and the killing fields are still common on this planet, we still need to remind ourselves that our advancement in some areas of human behavior are still lacking much.

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Amigo wrote:

What do you have to contribute "doctor".

What I have to contribute are rational thoughts, translated into pertinent observations and logical arguments.
You?

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You have dropped out of the human race.

LoL, what?

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Where we fall short you are their to capitalize. You are no team player.

Your point?

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Dok, You may find LW's post without anything new or profound in his article, but it helps to remind us how primitive our ancestors were during that age of human civilization. Many cultures also gave sacrifices to appease the gods for a good harvest and/or to thank the gods for a good harvest. Some even gave human sacrifices. Just goes to show that in some areas of human behavior, we have come a long ways.

When we consider the fact that wars, racial bigotry, and the killing fields are still common on this planet, we still need to remind ourselves that our advancement in some areas of human behavior are still lacking much.

I would need to be convinced that human behavior has changed at all, in any respect.
Religion has evolved on a sociological spectrum, and continues to evolve every day, as peoples beliefs change and they go on to convince others of these modified beliefs.
That it started somewhere seems to be a given. We can speculate about how,(personally I think it started with sun worship), but pointing out that it did indeed start long ago in a more 'primitive' form is hardly late breaking news.

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The Doktor imagines he has something new and profound to tell us, some original new idea. I haven't read anything, but it might be there somewhere in the didactic dissertations of the dok. We aren't addressing those, if one reads back, who have much idea of what evolution is all about and seem to have totally ignored where religion began. Doesn't hurt to make them wake up and smell the coffee.

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Why does anybody have to convince you of anything? Seems you have all the answers, so why bother?

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He's the voice from above, c.i. -- don't ya know?

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Just playing Devil's advocate's advocate for a second; Twisted Evil

I often find what the good Doktor has to say enlightening and thought provoking. In this case he's right...it's not a new idea and only explains some of the reasons religion exists.

All of which is a bit off-topic anyway....

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The self is all that matters doctor. You need not rationalize it.

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Do you really think that dok is the only one who functions in this principle of self around here? Whew... The only difference between him and many others (myself included) is that HE admits it...

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hephzibah wrote:

Do you really think that dok is the only one who functions in this principle of self around here? Whew...

Doc is honest about it while religion gives divine justification of the same thing.

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THAT is truth. However what about those not enraptured in any kind of "religion"? What's their excuse?

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Amigo wrote:

Lightwizard wrote:
Where did religion come from? Our ancient ancestors were in fear of nature and they felt they had to worship whatever force was causing storms, the rising of the sun, the moon, the stars, fires, death -- you name it. They hoped it would appease an angry "God" from singling them out for destruction. They eventually went so far as to sacrifice animals and other humans to appease the figment of their fearful imagination. There's various reasons for people to have evolved and still need a "big Daddy" up in space to help them through life. Fear of randomness is the chief culprit.
This post was passed over. were on page 800+. Lightwizard has touched on something in our nature and we pass it by as if it were nothing.

I thought we had discussed this here, but turns out it was elsewhere
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1531199#1531199

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Doesn't matter how many times it is stated or how it is stated, it's the reason why were are where we are today. It's why the same controversy prevails across this country, long after the Scopes trial.

I don't believe anyone is trying to be original or profound on these pages and if they are, it isn't translating. Break your arm patting yourself on the back.

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whom might you be speaking to mr lightwizard sir?

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real life wrote:

Apparently, soft tissue has been found in several more instances.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050325100541.htm

"We may not really know as much about how fossils are preserved as we think," says Schweitzer. "Our preliminary research shows that antibodies that recognize collagen react to chemical extracts of this fossil bone. If further studies confirm this, we may have the potential to learn more not only about the dinosaurs themselves, but also about how and why they were preserved in the first place."

It doesn't change the age of the fossil, just a question of the process itself.

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