Evolution? How?

I wonder if evolution and mutation are the same thing?

Evolution may be a rare force that creates new branches of kinds where mutation is an opposite force drawing them apart.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

RexR, It's true that many living things evolve into rocks.

You seem to forget that human beings are made from "rocks"...

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We are? First time I've heard of "that!" I always thought the possibility existed for the other way around. Wink

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Awe shucks! My mistake; we can turn into sand.

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RexRed wrote:

It only makes sense that if the earth/sun can make life they logically are alive. I not only think rocks could be living but light is possibly "alive" too...

Please define what you mean by "life".

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rosborne, I think he's using "alive" like Terri Schiavo; no cognition.

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Rex red, while I dont buy it, you are quite close to the concept of Gaia, which, although a novelty in the bio/earth sciences just 30 years ago, is qlmost a mainstream diversion today.
Acting as a self regulating system" (like the earth appears to), is not the same as BEING a self regulating living system.

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rosborne979 wrote:

RexRed wrote:
It only makes sense that if the earth/sun can make life they logically are alive. I not only think rocks could be living but light is possibly "alive" too...

Please define what you mean by "life".

animation, inspiration...

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RexRed wrote:

rosborne979 wrote:
RexRed wrote:
It only makes sense that if the earth/sun can make life they logically are alive. I not only think rocks could be living but light is possibly "alive" too...

Please define what you mean by "life".

animation, inspiration...

I see.

You're not an engineer by trade, are you?

An Artist maybe?

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Well his profile says "Writer, musician, computers, patriot, religious fanatic." so I think your right on there rosbourne

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So now we have come to this point in our time line where we humans are the only living creatures who are aware of who we are. We communicate on an advanced level that no other creature can (can an ape or any other animal know how to use if and then together?). We know morally right from wrong or we should. We invent and build great things. We see things in nature and mimic them (flying like birds etc.). Some of us even believe that we have an eternal soul. How did this evolve? WHY did this evolve?

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Jack, I wouldn't presume that humans are the only creatures aware of who they are. Elephants cry when they lose somebody in their pack. Additionally, we have often heard that elephants have good memories. How do we know for sure they are not transferring messages from generation to generation? The abilities of some animals are amazing by their special skills beyond human capacities. Dolphins can follow food sources and inanimate objects in the water whether they are blinded or their hearing plugged. Birds fly thousands of miles in their migration every season. I just don't feel completely at ease to write off the abilities and skills of animals.

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Going back to Page 60, Ciceron Imposter wrote

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"What has evolution done for you today?" It has helped millions of people with new medications to prevent many forms of human disease and ailments. The Salk Vaccine has helped eliminate polio from the planet.

I will say science has given us the Salk Vaccine and many other useful things, but how is it evolution that created this?

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Farmerman wrote back on page 60

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Hell the Conquistadors almost emptied a continent in the name of God. Lets not play games with un intentioned consequences. ANYWAY-Hitler was an avowed Young Earth Creationist .

This is true, however Marx was a Jew. He hated this because he felt he was of an inferior race. He hated himself and saw Darwins writings as a way to justify what he did. As did all the rest. Even Darwin was going to go to seminary. He felt extremly uneasy about what he was writing. Marx, Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Menghele, Pol Pot all did what they did in the name of evolution. Each (the conquistidors and evolutionists) in his own way was evil because they killed because they thought they were bettering the human race.

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It is a marvel that nature is not constrained by our own lack of imagination.

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So now we have come to this point in our time line where we humans are the only living creatures who are aware of who we are. We communicate on an advanced level that no other creature can (can an ape or any other animal know how to use if and then together?). We know morally right from wrong or we should. We invent and build great things. We see things in nature and mimic them (flying like birds etc.). Some of us even believe that we have an eternal soul. How did this evolve? WHY did this evolve?

I have an idea that may be right i dont know. In the past animals (like monekys) chose mates based on how strong and physical they were (this is general sure there may be oddities). However the early human(oids)s began to value intelligence in picking mates. Suddenly the early human(oid)s could dominate not because of size but because of intelligence. If brains starts being the most valued ot has greatest chance of evolving which is why humans havent gotten stronger but we have gotten smarter.

It is said dolphins will develp self awarness or w/e it is we have intellectually in the near future (for evolution which could mean in the next million years) but this may just be bullshit talk i dont know.

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El-Diablo wrote:

It is said dolphins will develp self awarness or w/e it is we have intellectually in the near future (for evolution which could mean in the next million years) but this may just be bullshit talk i dont know.

For *awareness*, possibly Dolphins, they are very social and seem to have a fairly sophisticted language.

However, for technological intelligence, similar to ours, I've always thought the Cephalopods (Octopus and Squid in particular) are the most likely to get there due to their manual dexterity and spacial problem solving abilities. I think much of our particular "flavor" of intelligence derived from our ability to make tools, and from our need for tools given that we don't have a supreme physical prowess (like small cephalopods, which are not particularly dangerous compared to their predators).

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Jackofalltrades wrote:

I will say science has given us the Salk Vaccine and many other useful things, but how is it evolution that created this?

Evolution itself contributed to everything we do (including vaccine's) because it evolved us, and we have the intelligence to do what we do.

But this probably isn't what CI was implying. Sometimes when we say evolution, we're talking about the knowledge of evolution, rather than the process itself. And in this case, recognizing how evolution works has allowed modern science to understand the biological world in far more detail, and to understand the microbial world well enough to begin to make functional vaccines and antibiotics which change as the organism changes. Without the knowledge of what evolution was doing, we wouldn't understand why an antibiotic (or an insecticide) might work just fine for a while, but then begin to fail (as the organism adapts to it).

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rosborne, Thanks for clarifying my earlier statement; somettime my mouth preceeds my thinking for clarity.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

rosborne, Thanks for clarifying my earlier statement; somettime my mouth preceeds my thinking for clarity.

Just glad I got it right CI. It's always risky trying to speak for someone else Wink

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