Evolution? How?

Yeh, sorry to hear about the cat Farmerman. My Dad had a Main Coon, and it dropped dead just sitting in the garage one day (granted it was pretty old), no warning ahead of time.

Dad has another coon cat and it's getting up there as well, but for the moment, he's still the friendliest cat in the house (with three other Persions to compete with).

Sorry about your kitty FM. Animals can do a number on a person.

Concerning evolution, creation and the Bible I have also noticed how the Bible leans more toward evolution...

It is sometimes more interesting to notice what is not written there rather then what is there.

For instance if the Bible was to be written solely as a creation story I would think it would have humans created first then they could sit around and watch while God created the "lesser" creatures.

Creating the rest of the world/nature could have been a footnote at the end of the sixth day.

Yet the Bible says things like, "let the waters bring forth life".

Let the land bring forth grass, herb and trees.

Then the animals seem to come in an order from the lesser animals creatures like fish to cattle and the birds then the Bible comes to humans last.

Isn't that evolution?

What about all those evenings and mornings?

All in six days... Let's see, evolution in six days. Okay, now prove it by (your personal) observation.

Very good question! You always seem to amaze me when you hit the nail right on the head.

You have to kind of blur things that is the only way I can really explain it right now.

The animals were really "created" in the first heaven and earth and so were humans. The Bible is seemingly hush hush about this.

In Eden (the second heaven and earth) you have to look carefully at the "acts" of God.

Gen 1:1 God created the heavens and the earth (first heaven and earth)

*Billions of years pass

Let there be light (opening of second heaven and earth)

Do you remember a story about Lucifer being an angel of light and the most beautiful of God's creations "in the beginning"?

Well that hardly compares to a worm in a tree tempting a naked woman.

How did the angel of light end up the lowliest "form" of all creatures if he was so beautiful?

Well the first heaven and earth was where Lucifer fell over billions of years, this was how the earth became without form and void and "darkness" upon the face of the deep (which if you think about it is a black hole or an abyss). God cast Lucifer out of heaven and down to the earth.

Then God said let there be light...

So it just appears like God is "creating" the animals in Eden but they were created in the first heaven and earth of Genesis 1:1

So God did create them ultimately through evolution but in the garden he only does some form adjustments and changes the life in animals/humans a bit and then he creates spirit. This is where it blurs with the earlier evolution/creation.

Does that make any sense?

How did God create light? What's before the Creation?

He said let there be light. And turned the universal light switch on.

Makes sense that made light early in the picture...because if he made us in his own image then he must have had eyes, which up until that point wouldn't have been much use to him.

I like your sense of accomodation rex, very cool. The rabid Creationists may have a problem with all that foolin around with the absolutes of scritpure

Thanks, I like the complexity of your knowledge of evolution. Keep it up. Not all creationists refute evolution. Only the ones who really don't know their own Bible. It is the Bible that accommodates, I am just pointing it out. People are too quick to sell off the Bible as uninspired. It takes someone to "believe" in the Bible's "integrity" to look further and see that God is not as wacked as everyone makes him out to be. Only perseverance is rewarded with truth.

Light was created in the first heaven and earth... This is why God only had to speak it into being in Eden (the second) and thus the Bible does not say, God created light in Eden. Because it, like the animals and humans, was created in the Gen 1:1 (the first heaven and earth).

I am not saying that I do not believe in creation... I am just saying that the Bible teaches and leaves ample room for evolution also... In the beginning God created the big bang. This does not disagree with science because scientists seemingly have no idea what happened one second before the big bang.

God is not that ignorant about evolution as creationists and scientists would have him be.

So I guess I am a horse of a different color. haha

RexRed,

The famous (or infamous) Edgar Cayce also stated a synthesis of evolution and creation in the following way:
"God desired self-expression and desired companionship; therefore, God projected the cosmos and souls. The cosmos was built with music, arithmetic, geometry, harmony, system, and balance. The building blocks were all of the same material - the life essence. It was the power of God that changed the length of its wave and the rate of its vibration which created the patterns for multitudes of forms. This action resulted in the law of diversity which supplied endless patterns. God played on this law of diversity as a pianist plays on a piano - producing melodies and arranging them in a symphony. Each design carried within it the plan for its evolution."

What is your opinion of Cayce's statement?

What is before creation?

Pure love...

Love has no beginning or end.

God is love

Absolutely beautiful!

Reminds me of the string theory...

The infinitely diversified eye of God...

God uses the word eyes to describe his own eyes which are invisible. That does not mean that God does not see. But we cannot see him. God (in the past) used angels from clouds to be his voice. God used angels to speak to people in the gospels. God is spirit and can only communicate with spirit (another law). Of all the host of heavenly angels, Gabriel is the messenger of God and Michael fights for God's people.

God used created "spirit" beings, ...angels like Gabriel, Michael and a whole host of others to be his eyes, ears, hands, feet etc, in the beginning (evolution) too. When God created man in his own image (spirit) in Eden (the second heaven and earth) he opened humans up to the spirit realm.

2 Corinthians 12:2
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

This is when the second heaven and earth to which we all belong has passed away...

They are not heavens piled on top of each other like vertical levels but they are three heaven periods horizontal in time.

Caught up into the third heaven, a heaven yet to come.

So what this is saying is that we are already in that heaven yet we are here too.

Light is a very peculiar thing...

It is not a particle or a wave but both.. like a body and soul perfectly fused into a living being.

Do you have a link for that? We have peat bogs everywhere here in Maine...

They are dangerous places when they are not being kept up. They dig big deep trenches and then leave them and sod grows over the trenchs and people have fallen down into them and never been found. I know a guy that was found in one and lived to tell about it. We used to play out by these miniature broken down trains that were built to haul the peat off the fields. I have been down in some of the trenches that were almost grown completely over. It is a very strange place to say the least. It is like a natural graveyard.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/newton/askasci/1993/biology/bio054.htm

Does any one here think that messenger RNA is a living thing?

How quickly does mRNA travel from the cell nucleus to the brain?

Here is something I have been thinking about...

Gen 1:2
"without form [Tohuw], and void [Bohuw];"

It is seems as if the first heaven and earth became a stalemate. Every time God moved the adversary moved to counter and fell deeper till there was utter darkness. Tohuw, Bohuw.

...gravity, seasons, night and day, and this survival element.

So Eden is God's attempt to tip the scales and ultimately win back creation from evil. God uses our innate sense of curiosity to lead us to technology and the brink of self made extinction. The Torah doesn't fulfil the answer to a promise of how we are to survive this crash course that Genesis sets in motion. We crawl out of the trees of our ancestral jungle, start to walk and thinking becomes our own destruction.

There you go RexRed
http://www.northernearth.co.uk/89/haigh.htm