Evolution? How?

rosborne979 wrote:

RexRed wrote:
In what major were you educated ros?

My training is in computer and network technology, but my natural skills and interest have always been in nature. I loved animals and dinosaurs from the first I could remember and I never lost it. I wanted to be a paleontologist when I started college, but couldn't figure a way to make decent money without becoming a PHD, and I didn't want to spend that much time in school. Luckily my tech skills were very strong, and once the Internet bloomed I was able to explore science and nature virtually to satisfy my non-tech needs.

Thanks, I enjoy your posts... especially the science category.

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rosborne, I also enjoy your posts, and try to read them all on threads where I get involved. Wink

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ditto, well reasoned and researched.

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RexRed wrote:

Thanks, I enjoy your posts... especially the science category.

cicerone imposter wrote:

rosborne, I also enjoy your posts, and try to read them all on threads where I get involved.

farmerman wrote:

ditto, well reasoned and researched.

Thanks Guys. Smile

I'll try to maintain my standards. And I enjoy your posts as well.

Even if we don't all agree on these threads, the discussions are entertaining, and I've found that nothing dies faster than a thread where everyone agrees, so vive le difference I guess.

Best Regards,

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Oh, don't worry about "differences." We'll continue to have them in most forums concerning politics and religion/evolution/creationism. Wink

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and barbeque, cant forget barbeque.

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been gone for a while... farmman wrto

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p dog- They did a CT scan of a dromaeosaur found in Australia at "dinosaur cove" near Adelaide AND the really anoxic fine grained sediments preserved casts and molds of lots of internal soft organs. They could clearly see the kidneys, lungs, repro organs, eggs and heart and the real neat thing was that, because the time period was after Gondwana split Australia was then nearer the poles and the little guys optic lobe was huuge compared to South American dromaeosaurs. In the less than 10 million years since Gondwana busted upTheyd evolved an optic lobe that was adapting to the seasonal low light conditions.

When an amimal dies shouldn't the soft tissue rot away or be eaten by bugs or if underwater by underwater scavengers? How could these soft tissues be preserved unless there was a rapid deposit (read flood) of sediment to seal the critter?

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farmerman wrote:

ditto, well reasoned and researched.

*Most* of the time Farmerman, but I learned something very key to evolutionary theory back on that Sabertooth thread, and I really appreciate your contribution to that, and in general, to any thread where I learn something.

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Jackofalltrades wrote:

When an amimal dies shouldn't the soft tissue rot away or be eaten by bugs or if underwater by underwater scavengers?

Generally this is true, but it depends on how the creature died. There are cases (in china for example) where animals have been trapped in quick mudslides and preserved in dynamic detail (in particluar, there are good specimens of raptors actually attacking some small plant eaters. I don't have the details on this handy, but I could probably find them on Google if you are really interested).

There are also flash flood events (which have nothing to do with Noah's flood Wink

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Jackofalltrades wrote:

How could these soft tissues be preserved unless there was a rapid deposit (read flood) of sediment to seal the critter?

Flash floods and mud slides do happen (even today in California we see mud slides) and we see evidence or them in prehistoric times. Luckily (for us) animals got caught in these events and were preserved in more detail than is otherwise normal.

I know that Creationists like to think that all sudden mud slides and floods are evidence for Noah's flood, but an array of evidence just doesn't support this, and instead gives us detailed information on past geologic and environmental conditions.

I have to say that if someone refuses to admit that the Earth is any older than 4000 years, then any discussion of scientic reasoning pretty much has to stop there. It's a waste to try to discuss "evidence" and "research" when someone is not willing to accept the basic premis that science is capable of understanding the basic ages of rocks and geological formations.

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And not to even consider the recent Tsunami.

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dont get yourself in a state of high Creation alert there jack. note the key words

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anoxic fine grained

such sediments are consistent with deep poorly drained swamps. The stratigraphy was of an environment similar to our own Everglades wherein there are tussocks of high ground and in between are swampy deposits. Probably he stepped in a swampy area, sank and drowned. The acidic deposits and low oxygen preserved the minutest detail. This is not uncommon in swamp dewposits, deep ocean basins, peat, coal swamps and oil tars.
Sorry, no flood evidence was shown in the stratigraphy.

Usually floods or deep ocean conshelf slide-deposits are poorly sorted mixed up deposits like breccias, conglomerates, flysch, or graywackes. Every kind of sediment leaves a fingerprint based upon its contents and its energy of movement. No dinosaurs,(except the marine ones like pleisiosaurs) that Im aware of have yet been found in deep water deposits of marine origin. Some have been found in river chaTnels but those are disarticulated by the water flowing within its channelThis one was in an organic muck that made molds and casts of each partand the anoxic conditions (indicating still oxygen free waters) prevented everything from rotting Theyve found preserved humans of a few thousand years in British peat bogs.

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hey farmerman

changing the subject (just a little) please excuse

But have you got any view on abiotic oil?

ie like creationism, its a load of sediment?

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Theyve found preserved humans of a few thousand years in British peat bogs.

yep straight out of the Thames and into the House of Lords.

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well you can make a small fortune investing in abiotic oil. All you need to do is start with a big fortune.

Its a scam.

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yep thought so thanks

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Farmerman - re: cardiomyopathy in Maine Coons, apparently there is:
http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/reports/cardiomyopathy.html

Didn't know, myself.

Recommendations like the one below are great in theory, but most areas aren't likely to be served by such an individual, I'd think...

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He stressed that it is very important to have an ultrasonographer who is familiar with the particular components of HCM in Maine Coons as the early changes (such as left papillary muscle hypertrophy) might be missed by the uninformed person.

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patiodog wrote:

Farmerman - re: cardiomyopathy in Maine Coons, apparently there is:
http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/reports/cardiomyopathy.html

Didn't know, myself.

Recommendations like the one below are great in theory, but most areas aren't likely to be served by such an individual, I'd think...

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He stressed that it is very important to have an ultrasonographer who is familiar with the particular components of HCM in Maine Coons as the early changes (such as left papillary muscle hypertrophy) might be missed by the uninformed person.

How do they get these cats to stand still for all those tests?

Remember that Steven King movie was it creep show or night shift or something like that? It was about this guy who had the pharmaceutical company that did drug tests on cats? Pretty graphic, oh well, the things I think about sometimes... the cat came back Smile

thx nice link
interesting

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I think cats are the most dynamic creature on the earth. They can change their shape, size (sabre tooth) to fit what ever environment they are confronted with, even domesticity (house cat).

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Maine coons are exeedingly laid back and gentle. P-dog, Its too late for my Reebok (he was my buddy) he just dropped dead climbing the stairs and , after we got over it I was askingaround , I didnt check any web sites just my vet who didnt know. Thanks. (kinda weird , my vet is trained at New Bolton which is U of P). maybe the large animal practice doesnt speak to the small. Thanks for your info. We wanna get another Maine Coon but now Imgoing to be a bit more determined.

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Sorry to hear about the cat. The MCs are great cats. Had a couple come into the shelter in Seattle -- pretty unflappable animals.

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