Evolution? How?

neologist wrote:

Doktor S wrote:

People have desires. One of those desires is procreation.
People are not 'perfect' (by whatever arbitrary standard you can muster) and hence are capable of desiring change.
But if the skydaddy was perfect to begin with,before anything existed, where would a desire for change come from? After all, he was already perfectly content.
Creation itself would have to be an indication of imperfection.

Just a guess, but the quality of free will is such an outstanding trait, perhaps God wished to have other sentient beings share in it.

That would, I think, be called love.

Freewill is an illusion. It exists in the realm of human perception alone.
When scrutinized freewill is an absurd concept, and really doesn't work either inside nor outside of a religious context.
Nor, for the record, do I share the assumption that 'love' is somehow special within the spectrum of emotional variants.

Real

Can you define perfect? What would a person have to do or how would they have to behave to be perfect? What is the standard for perfect?

Why do you assume that if a pefect Being did anything other than sit perfectly still that this would render it less than perfect?

C'mon Dok.

Doesn't Satan sometimes do something just for the hell of it?

perfect

SYLLABICATION: per·fect
PRONUNCIATION: pûrfkt
ADJECTIVE: 1. Lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kind. 2. Being without defect or blemish: a perfect specimen. 3. Thoroughly skilled or talented in a certain field or area; proficient. 4. Completely suited for a particular purpose or situation: She was the perfect actress for the part. 5a. Completely corresponding to a description, standard, or type: a perfect circle; a perfect gentleman. b. Accurately reproducing an original: a perfect copy of the painting. 6. Complete; thorough; utter: a perfect fool. 7. Pure; undiluted; unmixed: perfect red. 8. Excellent and delightful in all respects: a perfect day.

perfect (WITHOUT FAULT) Show phonetics
adjective
1 complete and correct in every way, of the best possible type or without fault:
a perfect day
What is your idea of perfect happiness?
This church is a perfect example of medieval architecture.
You have a perfect English accent.
The car is five years old but is in almost perfect condition.
She thought at last she'd found the perfect man.

2 used to emphasize a noun:
It makes perfect sense.
a perfect stranger

perfect Show phonetics
verb [T]
to make something free from faults:
He is keen to perfect his golfing technique.

perfectly Show phonetics
adverb
1 in a perfect way:
The jacket fits perfectly, the skirt not so well.
They're perfectly suited.

2 used to emphasize the word that follows:
To be perfectly honest, I don't care any more.
You know perfectly well what the matter is.
I made it perfectly clear to him what I meant.
I was perfectly happy on my own.

perfection Show phonetics
noun
1 the state of being complete and correct in every way:
In his quest for physical perfection, he spends hours in the gym.

2 to perfection extremely well:
The fish was cooked to perfection.

per·fect ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pûrfkt)
adj.

1. Lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kind.
   
2. Being without defect or blemish: a perfect specimen.
   
3. Thoroughly skilled or talented in a certain field or area; proficient.
   
4. Completely suited for a particular purpose or situation: She was the perfect actress for the part.
   
5. 
   
   1. 
      Completely corresponding to a description, standard, or type: a perfect circle; a perfect gentleman.
      
   2. Accurately reproducing an original: a perfect copy of the painting.
   
   
6. Complete; thorough; utter: a perfect fool.
   
7. Pure; undiluted; unmixed: perfect red.

perfect




per·fect [ púrfikt ]


adjective

Definitions:

1. without faults: without errors, flaws, or faults
in perfect condition


2. complete and whole: complete and lacking nothing essential


3. excellent or ideal: excellent or ideal in every way
That's the perfect word to describe him.


4. especially suitable: having all the necessary or typical characteristics required for a given situation
the perfect candidate for the job


5. skilled: very proficient, skilled, or talented in a particular area
a perfect host


6. utter or absolute: used to emphasize the extent or degree of something
a perfect nuisance
perfect happiness

perfect

perfect


Main Entry: 1per·fect
Pronunciation: 'p&r-fikt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English parfit, from Old French, from Latin perfectus, from past participle of perficere to carry out, perfect, from per- thoroughly + facere to make, do -- more at DO
1 a : being entirely without fault or defect : FLAWLESS <a perfect diamond> b : satisfying all requirements : ACCURATE c : corresponding to an ideal standard or abstract concept <a perfect gentleman> d : faithfully reproducing the original; specifically : LETTER-PERFECT e : legally valid
2 : EXPERT, PROFICIENT <practice makes perfect>
3 a : PURE, TOTAL b : lacking in no essential detail : COMPLETE c obsolete : SANE d : ABSOLUTE, UNEQUIVOCAL <enjoys perfect happiness> e : of an extreme kind :
UNMITIGATED <a perfect brat> <an act of perfect foolishness>
4 obsolete : MATURE
5 : of, relating to, or constituting a verb form or verbal that expresses an action or state completed at the time of speaking or at a time spoken of
6 obsolete a : CERTAIN, SURE b : CONTENTED, SATISFIED
7 of a musical interval : belonging to the consonances unison, fourth, fifth, and octave which retain their character when inverted and when raised or lowered by a half step become augmented or diminished
8 a : sexually mature and fully differentiated <a perfect insect> b : having both stamens and pistils in the same flower <a perfect flower>
- per·fect·ness /-fik(t)-n&s/ noun
synonyms PERFECT, WHOLE, ENTIRE, INTACT mean not lacking or faulty in any particular. PERFECT implies the soundness and the excellence of every part, element, or quality of a thing frequently as an unattainable or theoretical state <a perfect set of teeth>. WHOLE suggests a completeness or perfection that can be sought, gained, or regained <felt like a whole person again after vacation>. ENTIRE implies perfection deriving from integrity, soundness, or completeness of a thing <the entire Beethoven corpus>. INTACT implies retention of perfection of a thing in its natural or original state <the boat survived the storm intact>.

perfect

• adjective /perfikt/ 1 having all the required elements, qualities, or characteristics. 2 free from any flaw; faultless. 3 complete; absolute: it made perfect sense. • verb /prfekt/ 1 make perfect. 2 bring to completion.

timberlandko wrote:

Not ignoring a thing, neo, just taking what there is for what there is, taking what is said for what is meant,

Really. . .

timberlandko wrote:

neither applying special definitions

Really. . .
How about special words?

timberlandko wrote:

nor assuming convenient interpretations

Really. . .
By your account, the omnipotent God is incapable of selective foreknowledge. That works well if you need a reason to disbelieve.

timberlandko wrote:

just reading what is written in the scriptures - reading it objectively, critically, dispassionately, and with mere academic interest and rigor.

Really. . .
How does the concept of human choice fit in with your deterministic understanding?
"I do take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against YOU today, that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction; and you must choose life in order that you may keep alive, you and your offspring." (Deuteronomy 30:19)

timberlandko wrote:

You bring to it whatever you wish, I take from it what I find there.

You have found only that for which you have searched.

superstition is not a plan of action.

Real

Can you define perfect? What would a person have to do or how would they have to behave to be perfect? What is the standard for perfect?

My point is there is no such thing as perfect.

Real
But by your beliefs we are all imperfect. That's why I asked you what is perfect. You must know if you believe in imperfect humans.

So define for me the perfect human. What is the standard of behavior by which you Christians measure our imperfectness?

Jesus was perfect. By your beliefs Jesus was also God, right?

Therefore God and God's behavior is perfect, right?

The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying.

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

2:20 Behold, O LORD, and consider to whom thou hast done this. Shall the women eat their fruit, and children of a span long? shall the priest and the prophet be slain in the sanctuary of the Lord?
2:21 The young and the old lie on the ground in the streets: my virgins and my young men are fallen by the sword; thou hast slain them in the day of thine anger; thou hast killed, and not pitied.

What more evidence of the Christian God's benificent presence could be wanted than that millions of Fillipinos were not killed by mudslides over this past weekend?