RexRed wrote: ...
The individual spirit is greater than the spirit of tyranny...
Which precisely is why nowhere in The Constitution is there mention of a deity and why the Bill of Rights sets into stone unambiguous separation of Church and State. Knowing the heritage and legacy of their forebears, the founders of this Nation took explicit pains to keep God out of Government.
And a damned fine job they have made of it.
Setanta wrote:You have utterly failed to provide a shred of evidence that the Constitution of the United States is founded upon scripture. You have utterly failed to provide a shred of evidence that those who wrote the document relied upon any putative "virtues" of scripture.
You have demonstrated a wonderful ability to pick those portions of scripture which you like, and to ignore those portions which don't fit your thesis.
1Co 2:14
But the
natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Comment:
What is the natural man?
...a person endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights?
RexRed wrote:Setanta wrote:You have utterly failed to provide a shred of evidence that the Constitution of the United States is founded upon scripture. You have utterly failed to provide a shred of evidence that those who wrote the document relied upon any putative "virtues" of scripture.
You have demonstrated a wonderful ability to pick those portions of scripture which you like, and to ignore those portions which don't fit your thesis.
1Co 2:14
But the
natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Comment:
What is the natural man?
...a person endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights?
Does anyone else find it tedious beyond belief, when people quote scripture at them to try to prove a point?
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
Pauligirl wrote:
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
What makes Thomas Jefferson such an expert on the law of liberty of God or common law? Because he denies Christianity?
I am sure Thomas Jefferson did not think his own "deity" was "immoral"...
Because if his disassociation from the Epistles... this alone would only handicap his scope of the issues...
Common law did not exist before Christianity...
Christianity has existed since 325 AD
The Code of Hammurabi has existed since roughly 1780 BCE.
Ahem....
Doktor S wrote:Christianity has existed since 325 AD
The Code of Hammurabi has existed since roughly 1780 BCE.
Ahem....
Yes the code of Hammurabi is an external law the common law of Christianity is an internal law attributed to the fullness of Christ within...
What fault can one find in a man tortured for our sins and glorified for our salvation?
Within this paradox lies this spiritual guide of justice and compassion...
RexRed wrote:Doktor S wrote:Christianity has existed since 325 AD
The Code of Hammurabi has existed since roughly 1780 BCE.
Ahem....
Yes the code of Hammurabi is an external law the common law of Christianity is an internal law attributed to the fullness of Christ within...
No backtracking Rex. You said there was no 'common law' before christianity. I have given but one example of a 'common law' that predates christianity by over 2000 years.
RexRed wrote:What fault can one find in a man tortured for our sins and glorified for our salvation?
Within this paradox lies this spiritual guide of justice and compassion...
Assuming he existed as the bible states( lets just assume unicorns while we are at it), I can find plenty of fault with him, starting with his championing of a form of death worship and ending with his martyr complex.
There is no "common law within christianity." The common law to which Jefferson referred, and of which his careful training in the law authorized him to speak, is the common law of England. That was founded upon the customary law of the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Norge and Danes, all of whom at one time or another, exerted their hegemony over the island of Britain. At such time as any of them did so, every mother's son of them was pagan to the core. In fact, it was only after their arrival in those islands that the creeping disease of christianity overtook them. With the conquest by the Normans under William the Bastard, the common law was not replaced, nor diminish, nor increased--it was left in place as customary law was in those times, and it continued to be the source of royal authority in its struggle with the church. That struggle in England reached a crisis point in less than a century after the conquest when Henry II was finally rid of the "troublesome priest" through the murder of Thomas a Beckett. It reached its culmination in the establishment of the Anglican church by Henry VIII, under the authority of the monarch. It was the cause of more than one civil war in the subsequent Stuart era, which informed the disgust with established religion on the part of the founders.
There are few things so hilarious as seeing RR question the legal knowledge of Jefferson while making his typically unfounded assertions about his imaginary friend.
Doktor S wrote:RexRed wrote:What fault can one find in a man tortured for our sins and glorified for our salvation?
Within this paradox lies this spiritual guide of justice and compassion...
Assuming he existed as the bible states( lets just assume unicorns while we are at it), I can find plenty of fault with him, starting with his championing of a form of death worship and ending with his martyr complex.
First unicorns were biblically "wild rams" and, Christ Jesus is not dead... Jesus gave his life it was not taken...
RR, did Jesus ascend ito heaven?
What is your evidence that your boy Jesus ever existed, RR? What is your evidence that he exists still, nearly two thousand years after he is alleged to have been executed? What is your evidence that anything attributed to him are his actual words? What is your evidence that christianity as it is constituted in the present day is the belief set he intended?
talk72000 wrote:RR, did Jesus ascend ito heaven?
Ro 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Setanta wrote:What is your evidence that your boy Jesus ever existed, RR? What is your evidence that he exists still, nearly two thousand years after he is alleged to have been executed? What is your evidence that anything attributed to him are his actual words? What is your evidence that christianity as it is constituted in the present day is the belief set he intended?
The actual evidence I have is the manifestation in the senses realm of the holy spirit...
RR:
OLD TESTAMENT
2) Isaiah 14:13 I will ascend into heaven
NEW TESTAMENT
Luke 24:51
And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. Mark 16:19
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
The Four Gospels have authoritry over minor writings you haveposted.
