Evolution? How?

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15156a.htm

I found this interesting...

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RexRed wrote:

Setanta wrote:
What is your evidence that your boy Jesus ever existed, RR? What is your evidence that he exists still, nearly two thousand years after he is alleged to have been executed? What is your evidence that anything attributed to him are his actual words? What is your evidence that christianity as it is constituted in the present day is the belief set he intended?

The actual evidence I have is the manifestation in the senses realm of the holy spirit...

I see . . . you have no evidence. I thought as much.

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Setanta wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Setanta wrote:
What is your evidence that your boy Jesus ever existed, RR? What is your evidence that he exists still, nearly two thousand years after he is alleged to have been executed? What is your evidence that anything attributed to him are his actual words? What is your evidence that christianity as it is constituted in the present day is the belief set he intended?

The actual evidence I have is the manifestation in the senses realm of the holy spirit...

I see . . . you have no evidence. I thought as much.

Actually I do have evidence and though, it's explanations are in the advanced areas of Christianity and the spirit.

One first leans to crawl before they can walk...

One cannot manifest something that does not exist...

1Co 12:7
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:

Comment:
Then the Bible lists the nine manifestations of the spirit...

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All of which is to say that you have no evidence. Touchy feely "I am filled the with spirit!" purported mystical experiences on your part constitute no evidence for anyone who is not infected with the same delusion.

Absent any evidence, there is no basis for a reasonable person to believe any of that claptrap.

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RR, you quote minor writings you like but ignore major portions that actually deal with Jesus.

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1Co 5:7
Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

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talk72000 wrote:

RR, you quote minor writings you like but ignore major portions that actually deal with Jesus.

Give me an example plz... Smile

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I just posted it.

OLD TESTAMENT
2) Isaiah 14:13 I will ascend into heaven

NEW TESTAMENT
Luke 24:51
And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

Mark 16:19
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Does not Jesus fulfil one aspect of Lucifer?

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Setanta wrote:

All of which is to say that you have no evidence. Touchy feely "I am filled the with spirit!" purported mystical experiences on your part constitute no evidence for anyone who is not infected with the same delusion.

Absent any evidence, there is no basis for a reasonable person to believe any of that claptrap.

You have to experience the change that faith can facilitate as a concrete thing in life before you totally knock it... If you see profit then there is power within if there is no profit then it is empty... but until you toss in a few "red cents" you will never participate in it's free will influence...

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talk72000 wrote:

I just posted it.

OLD TESTAMENT
2) Isaiah 14:13 I will ascend into heaven

NEW TESTAMENT
Luke 24:51
And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

Mark 16:19
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Does not Jesus fulfil one aspect of Lucifer?

In the sense that Jesus Christ redeemed power that lucifer corrupted thus freeing captivity held by lucifer...

Then Jesus became the bearer of this power and in essence took the place of a corrupted tyrant. You could call it regime change...

Yet lucifer still can deceive people and convince them of his elusive power and beauty... But his intent is still evil...

But this should not detract from the truth that God is all in all... and Jesus Christ whom we (as Christians) admire and praise is still a creation of God...

Ultimately it is God that we "worship" in spirit...

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This deceiver Lucifer is Jesus as he is the 'morning star' as shown below.

NEW TESTAMENT
Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

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talk72000 wrote:

This deceiver Lucifer is Jesus as he is the 'morning star' as shown below.

NEW TESTAMENT
Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Christ Jesus restored the morning star to it's original glory....

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Jesus is the 'morning star' or Lucifer, a demon. You worship and praise a demon who deceived you into thinking he is a god.

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RexRed wrote:

You have to experience the change that faith can facilitate as a concrete thing in life before you totally knock it... If you see profit then there is power within if there is no profit then it is empty... but until you toss in a few "red cents" you will never participate in it's free will influence...

No, i don't have to experience your full-blown delusion to know that you have deluded yourself.

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talk72000 wrote:

Jesus is the 'morning star' or Lucifer, a demon. You worship and praise a demon who deceived you into thinking he is a god.

Long before Eden the bright and morning star was the brightest star in one third of the heavens that lucifer had control of... Yet he turned out the light in defiance to God... and darkness became an abyss of evil... Yet the devil ruled on the earth because Adam gave him dominion... So the people throughout the old testament mistook the devil for God often... and they needed laws written down because of a deficiency of them within... These stars that were held by lucifer have been dealt to the earth by God and are the living lights of each new Christian's spirit...

This is why we are Christians because we have Christ inside...
It was Christ Jesus who restored the dignity of the human spirit and wrote the law of liberty in our hearts... this was the celebration of life, liberty and freedom that prompted history to "re-begin counting time" and start counting from the year zero two thousand years ago...
This change in time is why not every child in our society is required to be a lawyer... This is why there is not reading, writing, arithmetic and law taught compulsory in our elementary schools... It brought about a documented conscious change that is still needed much in many parts of the world today....

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Baloney.

Isaiah says this will happen in the future as Lucifer says the five 'I wills' which Jesus fulfills.

The Hebrews considered Satan a prosecutor in God's court of justice. Lucifer is not about heavenly events but earthly events where a man, Jesus, is deified as a god.

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Setanta wrote:

RexRed wrote:
You have to experience the change that faith can facilitate as a concrete thing in life before you totally knock it... If you see profit then there is power within if there is no profit then it is empty... but until you toss in a few "red cents" you will never participate in it's free will influence...

No, i don't have to experience your full-blown delusion to know that you have deluded yourself.

You can only go as far as you have been taught...

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I've been taught the full panoply of christian delusion--that's just christian snobbery. I simply don't buy the dog and pony show. Your conceit and evangelical snobbishness are disgusting. You are, however a perfect example of christians, and why people dislike and mistrust them.

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talk72000 wrote:

Baloney.

Isaiah says this will happen in the future as Lucifer says the five 'I wills' which Jesus fulfills.

The Hebrews considered Satan a prosecutor in God's court of justice. Lucifer is not about heavenly events but earthly events where a man, Jesus, is deified as a god.

First I do not believe the Bible teaches that Jesus Christ is God... In fact it warns of the contrary... But it also calls Jesus Christ our lord and master, the shepherd king.. calls him tempted in all points but without sin... the son of God... our brother... etc. There is nothing about him being the prince of evil there... The only evil was in the forces who murdered him...

Jesus Christ was a "man" who fought a false "god" for spiritual energy (stars) and won... God then gives this energy (stars) to those who respond by faith...

It is actually quite shrouded in physics this story of spiritual birth. I have always wondered if the story was grounded in the question ancient astronomers wondered why the northern sky was so empty of stars...

So they theorized the stars were still there but they were turned off or corrupted light because of chaos in heaven...

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well, nothing interesting here, guess Ill go see whether Gus is up.and pillaging small villages

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