Evolution? How?

I, for the life of me, cannot figure out what you are saying. Do you suppose you could just say it in your own words? Are you trying to say Jesus is Satan or what?

If you think the Bible is unreliable and bunk, why do you keep quoting passages from it?

Say it in your own words, please. I cannot understand your going all around the point.

I am quoting it to show how ridiculous the Bible is for you wanted me to quote sources. The sources show conflicting interpretations.

The references show many mysterious ancient names are the old polytheistic gods: Helel, renamed Azazel, and Shahar.

The passages you are referring to are about a Prophecy Against Babylon. Don't you think it might be kind of important to understand the context of the passages? :wink:

Is this one of those cases where someone just takes out the verse they want to bolster their assertion and not consider the whole story concerned?

You didn't check the link, did you?
A few words come to mind:
I don't doubt your research or your zeal, only your logic and your conclusions.

Here's the link again.

Neo,

May I ask who you are speaking to? I think I may have gotten lost somewhere in this discussion and I may need to catch up.

Thanx!

Hi MA;
How's it goin'? I posted that link for talk7200 about 10 pages back.

He seems to know what he is talking about but has no idea what he is talking about actually means.

ER; IMHO, that is.

Thanx Neo. I thought maybe you meant him. I still haven't got a clue as to exactly what he believes.

Have you ever heard of the Angels Of Light, Neo? Some of talk72000's postings sound an awful lot like what they believe.

Folk singers?

Angels of Light? Googled it and I can't find anything relevant...

Neo and Thunder_runner32,

This is a link to the Angels of Light. I ran across a person claiming to be one of them one night and they gave me this site. Tell me what you think?

http://members.fortunecity.com/alahoy33/

ECK!

I know, Neo. I read quite a bit of that sight. It's a bit disconcerting, isn't it?

Did you check out the link?

Yes, I did check it out. Actually, back in 1979, I worked with a woman who followed Eckankar. I didn't agree with what she believed but we were pretty good friends. We had quite a few discussions about ECK. Interesting, to say the least.

MA

You are lazy. I provided the link at the bottom for those wanting to find out about the Ugaritic religion.

Isaiah 14:12 (KJV with Hebrew)
"How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Helel, son of Shahar!
how art thou cut down to the ground,

Helel, or Day Star, is a Canaanite god. Shahar is another Canaanite god

In his fallen state, Helal was known as Azazel, the earth-bound demon to whom the Israelites gave as a yearly sacrifice on the Day of Atonement a "scapegoat" that was sent into the wilderness for Azazel after another goat had been sacrificed before the mercy seat of Yahweh:

Leviticus 16:5,7-10
"[Aaron] shall take from the congregation of the people of Israel two male goats for a sin offering . . . and Aaron shall cast lots on the two goats, one lot for Yahweh and the other lot for Azazel. Aaron shall present the goat on which the lot fell for Yahweh, and offer it as a sin offering; but the goat on which the lot fell for Azazel shall be presented alive before Yahweh to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Azazel"

Isaiah 14:12-15
"How you are fallen from heaven,
O Day Star, son of Dawn [i.e., Helal, son of the god Shahar]!
How you are cut down to the ground,
you who laid the nations low!
You said in your heart,
`I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne above the stars of El; I will sit on the Mount of Assembly on the heights of Zaphon [the sacred mountain of El where the Assembly of the Gods met in council].
But you are brought down to Sheol, to the depths of the Pit"




Mt. Saphon, also known as Mt. Casius, is located just north of Ugarit, a Canaanite city located in northern Palestine during the 13th and 14th centuries BCE about half a mile inland near the tip of Cyprus.

This site gives you information regarding the Ras Shamra Ugarit polytheistic religion from which the Jews copied from or were part of. The Old Testament contains evidence of a polytheistic past where references were kept as the guardians of the monotheistic tradition may have forgotten what they were as the Jews moved from polytheism to monotheism from the time of the Captivity in Babylon.

The names of Helel, or Helal, Azazel, Shahar and Mt. Zaphon, the site of Baal, in the Old Testament shows Judaism emerged from the Ugaritic polytheistic religion or copied the legends, prophecies and gods from the Ras Shamra Ugaritic religion.

Go to this link on regarding Ugarit religion:

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I am lazy? I did go to that link. Why am I lazy? What does going to that link have to do with being lazy?

That link explains explains the polytheism and Isaiah 14:12 origin being from Ugarit. It shows that if OT copied the stuff from them then plagiarism was involved. So the OT is guiltyof theft. If OT developed from Ugarit then it lied about being monotheistic from the beginning and failed to cover its tracks as it "EVOLVED" from polytheisim.

The thread topic of "Evolution?" - from polytheism to monotheism; and "How?" - historical lies and deception.

So now the OT is plagarized? I guess if it's on the internet it must be true, right?

Polytheistic religion developed in Babylon around the time of Nimrod. Moses wrote the pentateuch about 800 years later. Isaiah wrote several hundred years after that. These gods had existed and were known to the Hebrews all along. Some Jewish kings even turned to worshiping these gods. You would expect them to be mentioned in the bible.

So what?
How does that show that Abraham was not monotheistic?

There's a lot on the internet that has neither foot anywhere near anything resembling fact. However numerous articles concerning the antecedents of The Bible - indeed the antecedents of the entire Abrahamic Mythopaeia - are on the internet and some have both feet firmly planted on facts recorded by history, linguistics, archaeology, and mythology. The traditions recounted in the Bible were already ancient by the time Genesis was written ... not even monotheism is original to the Arahamic Mythopaeia.