Evolution? How?

Like I said the Bible is bunk. Full of contradiction.

You can twist it to your liking at your own risk. As for me... I know better.

t72k, the KJV bible translates the Hebrew of Isaiah 45:7 into 'create evil,' but other bibles read 'calamity' or 'disaster'. i'm surprised Christians haven't disowned the KJV when it states that God creates evil.

Being a reader of theKJV I am led to discern some translations. There are many people I am sure who have trouble with that.
yitwail are you a Christian? What Bible do you study?

Wholly irrelevant, apart from proceeding from an illicit premise. Is logic a wholly foreign concept to you?


C'mon, Neo - I know you can do better than that; I submit there is nothing in the observation I offered to which a logical objection may be posed, and further that your response in no way addresses my observation.



Straw Man argument there partner - nothing in my quoted observation relates to faith; you introduce to the argument an aspect not presented. Further, I submit you have no valid basis from which to form a reasoned appraisal of my ability or lack thereof in the matter of differentiating between the concepts of good and evil, nor to declare me to be or not to be possesed of faith, nor to in any way exemplify the quoted comment as having anything whatsoever to do with the concept of faith.



If you can't stand the effluvia, stay out of the vomitorium.



I submit that cannot be but a subjective assessment, based not on knowledge or direct evidence, but soley on personal conviction focused via a particular belief set. In that it is a forensically invalid proposition, it is meaningless. Further, the attribute of entailed risk remains unestablished, in fact is undefined. Whether or not there is or may be merit to the proposition you forward is immaterial to the fact no valid argument in support of that proposition or any component thereof has been presented.

While I see little reason to assume the distinction is discerned by many in this discussion, my objections go to the manner in which the proposition at debate is put forward; none have argued validly for it nor have any validly, nor even merely substantively, refuted any argument presented against it.

n-d c, i'm not a Christian, so i don't read the Bible systematically, although i have read portions, and usually in KJV. if you wonder why i bother, i may as well have some plausible reasons for not believing something that so many in Western culture profess to believe.

I feel I'm trying to communicate with a machine. An entity completely void of emotion, a being of which has had the light of the spirit sucked out by a vaccum that resides at the end of a long dark endless pit.
Sorry. Wish I could say something to make you feel.

you might be, in the sense that a mind is mostly electrical & chemical signals, from a reductionist viewpoint. by the way, i should have qualified my non-Christian status: i simply don't believe in the Bible being literally true.

Yea, I study biology, nutrition, human physiology, psychology, and I am aware of my body, I also am aware of my spirit. It is truely amazing how the mind works. I am supposing you are a left brained individual. Quite logical.

Speaking of the body, mine is pretty tired and I have to get up in 3 hours for work. Have a good rest of the night.
Non

you too, n-d. up with the crack of dawn, from the sound of it. i'm just a bit past bedtime here.

you hit the nail on the head about left-brained, but i'm trying to get more balanced. my spouse is quite the opposite in that regard, though she's no Christian either.

i do have strong feelings about social issues, by the way, and they sometimes clash with the views of many Christians.

How can it be a metaphor when the chapter clearly states that the Serpent is was "more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made"? That clearly shows us the Bible was talking about a literal serpent, as Satan is clearly not one of the wild animals that the Lord God made.

Frankly, I don't know why you people insist on King James Version. All the copies I can ever find are all NIV.

That was a tour de force, Non denom, of heaping contempt and obloquy upon your interlocutor, of demonizing your interlocutor, simply because you are unwilling or unable to answer the arguments presented. How very disgusting and hateful you are in this response--how very much the typical "cornered rat" christian you play.

The height of absurdity is your signature line, in which you ironically show exactly the value of your vaunted emotional commitment to the mumbo-jumbo . . .

set(anta) (thus avoiding both unwarranted familiarity and excessive formality) n-d's statement did take me aback, but i took it as a compliment of sorts to my reliance on rationality. seems to me that thinking machine isn't the worst label you can affix to another. i do have other dimensions to my personality, like a sense of humor; my choices of avatars, for instance, are a reflection of it. ;-)

First part true, second part false.

You might hear this verse from Isaiah in some Christmas songs, if you listen closely.

There is one god, and this is no way changes when he manifests himself as different forms...ie. jesus.

...or satan.

Let's face it; god, jesus, satan is a schzo.

How is God, satan?

Why are you addressing CI as satan, and what makes you think he is any better informed on god's health than you are?

Ooops, sorry about that. Nice catch Setanta.

Let me reword it.

CI...what makes you think that God is Satan?