cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 10:58 am
God is satan, because he admits to killing innocents along with the sinners - the world flood being one example.
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thunder runner32
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 11:03 am
His judgement is not evil and it doesn't mean that he is satan. How do you know that the innocents didn't go to heaven? Judgement is not the same as mindless killing.
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 11:03 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
God is satan, because he admits to killing innocents along with the sinners - the world flood being one example.


Moses, in the book of Genesis, regarding the world prior to the Flood wrote:
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 11:05 am
Even the little bitty babies, eh?

That Yaweh, he's a wry old joker, ain't he?
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thunder runner32
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 11:09 am
God has forsight and made the judgement. All the little bitty babies were gonna grow and become horrible people apparently.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 11:20 am
talk72000 wrote:
Anyway, Genesis refers to a serpent not Satan.
Revelation identifies the serpent as Satan. If you wish to post effectively, check this LINK

You'd better read it too, non-dc
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 11:36 am
timberlandko wrote:
neologist wrote:
It's not a matter of disagreement. Satan and God are shown to be enemies throughout the bible ...

C'mon, Neo - I know you can do better than that; I submit there is nothing in the observation I offered to which a logical objection may be posed, and further that your response in no way addresses my observation.
I was under the assumption you were identifying God and Satan as one and the same, like two parts of some unholy trinity. With all the abuse heaped on God's name by those who don't understand the bible, I always feel it is my duty to point out that the bible doesn't support their conclusions. (That is not to mention the fantastic speculations about the bible made by 'believers'. {God wants babies in heaven. Good grief!})

I am not saying it proves the message of the bible to be correct. Only consistent.

Anyway; sorry to have misunderstood. After all, I'm just an ignorant yokel from New Jersey. Laughing
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 11:48 am
Quote, "God has forsight and made the judgement. All the little bitty babies were gonna grow and become horrible people apparently."

Do you mean to imply that all the babies born today will be saints? And those babies born in Africa - the majority are born with HIV/AIDS. What's with that?
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 11:58 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Quote, "God has forsight and made the judgement. All the little bitty babies were gonna grow and become horrible people apparently."

Do you mean to imply that all the babies born today will be saints? And those babies born in Africa - the majority are born with HIV/AIDS. What's with that?
Seewhatahmean, timber?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 12:06 pm
I am confused here. So those that don't believe in God seem to believe in Satan? Can someone elaborate for me, please?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 12:08 pm
thunder_runner32 wrote:
God has forsight and made the judgement. All the little bitty babies were gonna grow and become horrible people apparently. (emphasis added--like you didn't know . . . )


When it come to exegesis, them adverbs is muthafukkers . . .
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 12:14 pm
"God had farsight..." is one of the stupidest statements on a2k.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 12:26 pm
I will be back later to straighten out this mess... hehe
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 01:14 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
"God had farsight..." is one of the stupidest statements on a2k.
Wait! I'm farsighted! Does that mean I'm god? I thought it just meant my arms were getting shorter Laughing
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 01:19 pm
neologist,
C.I. was referring to this statement:
Quote:
God has forsight and made the judgement. All the little bitty babies were gonna grow and become horrible people apparently.

Can you explain it for us? Is the bible consistent about this?
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 01:45 pm
wandeljw wrote:
neologist,
C.I. was referring to this statement:
Quote:
God has forsight and made the judgement. All the little bitty babies were gonna grow and become horrible people apparently.

Can you explain it for us? Is the bible consistent about this?
I knew that. I just couldn't pass up a chance to dis CI's spelling. Laughing

But, you are quite right. The subject of foreknowledge, and omniscience is one which needs more than a little explaining. I've been trying to get a discussion started on this thread , but it does not seem to be developing as I had hoped.

Actually, there are two things to be considered in Rex's far fetched post:

One is the condition of the dead and what, if any, hope they might have.

But since you inquired about foresight or foreknowledge, let me advance this:

God makes it abundantly clear in many parts of the bible that we have choices, thus implying free will. The idea of free will is incompatible with the generally accepted definition of omniscient: that God must, of necessity, know all things in advance. To accept that categorically would be to place blame on God for all the human misery that has plagued mankind for the 6000 years or so of recorded history.

God's word places the blame for our woes squarely on Satan and his Edenic conscripts. If you disbelieve that, you would, I think, be at a loss to explain the story of Jesus who claimed to be the mirror image of his father.

So, as I have said not a few times before: God has no more necessity to know the outcome of all things than we are to look at the last page of the whodunit.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 02:05 pm
It's sorta like George Bush; he can kill many by his words (estimated by some at about 75,000), but we can't blame him for the quagmire he created in Iraq. After all, god tells Bush what to do.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 02:14 pm
neologist wrote:
The subject of foreknowledge, and omniscience is one which needs more than a little explaining. I've been trying to get a discussion started on this thread , but it does not seem to be developing as I had hoped.

Neo's thread is actually pretty good and more appropriate for today's discussion than this evolution thread.
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thunder runner32
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 02:15 pm
Quote:
Do you mean to imply that all the babies born today will be saints? And those babies born in Africa - the majority are born with HIV/AIDS. What's with that?


Not everbody is a saint, apparently at that time, nobody was even going to be a decent person.

The babies that are born with HIV/AIDS....? Not sure what your'e getting at here...
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thunder runner32
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 02:19 pm
Quote:
"God had farsight..." is one of the stupidest statements on a2k.


How about if your'e going to insult me...you at least spell it correctly?

Quote:
It's sorta like George Bush; he can kill many by his words (estimated by some at about 75,000), but we can't blame him for the quagmire he created in Iraq. After all, god tells Bush what to do.


What 75,000 is that?

Quagmire...yes, it was so much better when Saddam was in power....lmao...Rolling Eyes
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