Evolution? How?

Try this one for "living dinosaurs." http://www.geocities.com/dracoraptor/LIVINGDINOSAURS.htm

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If the bones fit, you gotta admit defeat.

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mesquite wrote:

RexRed wrote:
There are billions of years in Genesis somewhere and I will show you where...

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Notice the first "was" in verse 2 above is not in italics and the second "was" is? Look in any King James Bible, every one is like this. Why did the translators italicize only one "was"? I will leave that question with you all and see who can give me the answer...

Genesis 1
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

This means that through billions of years the earth came to a balance and the earth now had (for the most part) a night and a day. This was when God instituted the changes he did on the heavens and the earth in Genesis. Considering in the earth's history there was a time when the earth did not even have a moon and the earth was much larger and spun at a different rate..

Rexred, I am not sure if you are being serious or just having fun. You are jumping through so many hoops to make what is known today fit into what was written way back then, that you would make a Native American hoop dancer proud.

I don't see it that way...
I think the translation is difficult and some people would rather lazily fit too much creation in and that only detracts from what is really written.

If they (scientists/theologians) can make Genesis a creation story then they can ignore God as foolish in light of all of the scientific evidence to the contrary...

It is not that I am jumping hoops but that you have to unlearn error... I have flipped your understanding upside down but if you will take a moment to focus you will realize you have been turned upside right.

I have not shown you where the billions of years are yet either... and I have more then just a few shreds of information to base this on. You forget, there are hundreds of pages that follow Genesis... They also affirm what I am saying...

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RexRed wrote:

I don't see it that way...
I think the translation is difficult and some people would rather lazily fit too much creation in and that only detracts from what is really written.

If they (scientists/theologians) can make Genesis a creation story then they can ignore God as foolish in light of all of the scientific evidence to the contrary...

It is not that I am jumping hoops but that you have to unlearn error... I have flipped your understanding upside down but if you will take a moment to focus you will realize you have been turned upside right.

I have not shown you where the billions of years are yet either... and I have more then just a few shreds of information to base this on. You forget, there are hundreds of pages that follow Genesis... They also affirm what I am saying...

RexRed, are you a linguist with experience in ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek?

It is interesting that you toss both scientists and theologians into the same barrel as those calling Genesis a creation story.

In your mind, how do you conceive the story to have been written? Do you think it was never meant to be a creation story? Do you think that the story was word for word from God and he was deliberately being obtuse? Was the first Genesis in written form or oral tradition?

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And we must ask, in what language, and how many people wrote the original text and how many revisions by how many people?

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mesquite wrote:

RexRed wrote:
I don't see it that way...
I think the translation is difficult and some people would rather lazily fit too much creation in and that only detracts from what is really written.

If they (scientists/theologians) can make Genesis a creation story then they can ignore God as foolish in light of all of the scientific evidence to the contrary...

It is not that I am jumping hoops but that you have to unlearn error... I have flipped your understanding upside down but if you will take a moment to focus you will realize you have been turned upside right.

I have not shown you where the billions of years are yet either... and I have more then just a few shreds of information to base this on. You forget, there are hundreds of pages that follow Genesis... They also affirm what I am saying...

RexRed, are you a linguist with experience in ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek?

It is interesting that you toss both scientists and theologians into the same barrel as those calling Genesis a creation story.

In your mind, how do you conceive the story to have been written? Do you think it was never meant to be a creation story? Do you think that the story was word for word from God and he was deliberately being obtuse? Was the first Genesis in written form or oral tradition?

Very good question! I have to go out to Wal Mart to buy some non essential plastic (dinosaur bones) items Smile

I will be back and address this later...

One side thought, consider this, Lucifer was in the garden... What form was he? That of a snake... the lowliest form of all creatures in nature... Are they elegant too? Whey did God juxtapose the snake with humans?

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I have to admit that I'm not keeping up, but, um, why exactly is the snake the lowliest form of all creatures in nature?

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oil's not from dinosaurs. In fact most oil is made of the carbonaceous matter of lowly sea critters. Oil is found mostly in marine and near shore deltaic stratigraphy and oil shales are almost all old lake deposits that grade into coals. Think about how many dinosaur skeletons youve seen in museums that are associated with oil finds. If someone ever wants to lose a lot of money on oil speculation, listen to some of the Creationists. There are a few who parade as Creationists but they avail themselves of a good stratigraphic temperature and gamma-gamma porosity logs along with PID detection, along with geophysics.
They may be Creationists , but when it comes to spending their clients money wisely, they dont play doctrinaire games.

Ive always asked the question , name one Creationist reservoir geologist who uses his religion based stratigraphy and Ill buy you a case of Dom.

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c.i. Did ya notice ever how the reports of the mkoele mbembe seem to heighten whenever theres a big blockbuster movie coming up, then as if by magic, they disappear everywhere except on the Art Bell show?

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Looks like most of us Christian believers have been just sitting back and watching the show. Good scrimmage Very Happy

After I do a little more research I'll give you more facts to dispute. It may be a while as I still haven't got my truck fixed. :wink:

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off topic but???
This is off topic, but I think I can prove evolution. The guy who developed this web site has definitely ascended to a higher plane of conscioniousness. http://www.mostannoyingwebpage.com/v1/

I know I'll get kicked out of here now... :wink:

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farmerman wrote:

oil's not from dinosaurs. In fact most oil is made of the carbonaceous matter of lowly sea critters. Oil is found mostly in marine and near shore deltaic stratigraphy and oil shales are almost all old lake deposits that grade into coals. Think about how many dinosaur skeletons youve seen in museums that are associated with oil finds. If someone ever wants to lose a lot of money on oil speculation, listen to some of the Creationists. There are a few who parade as Creationists but they avail themselves of a good stratigraphic temperature and gamma-gamma porosity logs along with PID detection, along with geophysics.
They may be Creationists , but when it comes to spending their clients money wisely, they dont play doctrinaire games.

Ive always asked the question , name one Creationist reservoir geologist who uses his religion based stratigraphy and Ill buy you a case of Dom.

I have already heard that oil was not from dinosaurs I just wrote it for the jolt it would cause Wink

I did learn new things from what you wrote though.
thx

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patiodog wrote:

I have to admit that I'm not keeping up, but, um, why exactly is the snake the lowliest form of all creatures in nature?

Because they have the simplist shape... they also slither...

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mesquite wrote:

RexRed wrote:
I don't see it that way...
I think the translation is difficult and some people would rather lazily fit too much creation in and that only detracts from what is really written.

If they (scientists/theologians) can make Genesis a creation story then they can ignore God as foolish in light of all of the scientific evidence to the contrary...

It is not that I am jumping hoops but that you have to unlearn error... I have flipped your understanding upside down but if you will take a moment to focus you will realize you have been turned upside right.

I have not shown you where the billions of years are yet either... and I have more then just a few shreds of information to base this on. You forget, there are hundreds of pages that follow Genesis... They also affirm what I am saying...

RexRed, are you a linguist with experience in ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek?

It is interesting that you toss both scientists and theologians into the same barrel as those calling Genesis a creation story.

In your mind, how do you conceive the story to have been written? Do you think it was never meant to be a creation story? Do you think that the story was word for word from God and he was deliberately being obtuse? Was the first Genesis in written form or oral tradition?

I am not a linguist but a vocalist. I have an adequate working knowledge of ancient Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek mostly from the Bible. I do consider myself a biblical scholar though but not by traditional means. I have devoted much time and thought into studying the Bible since before I can remember. Knowledge of the Bible I consider to be my greatest joy in life...

I believe major parts of Genesis and the OT come from oral traditions that predate all other known civilizations.

I believe God did create the big bang thus I must be a creationist. I believe God is both outside and within creation.

I believe that, Genesis and the rest of the Bible may have some deliberately obtuse quandaries. Deliberately obtuse are good words to describe it I guess. Not that the subject of creation is an easy one anyway...

So is God playing with us? No, God want us to use the facilities we are blessed with and strive to, "diligently" seek and find the truth.

The Bible meaning is not always evident on the surface, often only on the inside... This is where trust comes in and caution to speak and not be reactionary... These humble qualities bring fruit like, meekness, kindness, long suffering(suffering without feeling it), faith, charity etc. So why should we trust God if he made the Bible hard on purpose??? Because there are hidden wondrous truths in the word of God that are written nowhere else...

Jeremiah 15:16
Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.

Comment:

An apostle brings new light to a generation...
Sometimes this is old light that has been forgotten Smile

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cicerone imposter wrote:

I don't believe in mass penalty; Adam and Eve made a mistake, and all humans must pay for their 'mistake.' That contradicts any sense of "a loving god." Eating an apple for chrissakes is not equal to the sufferings of mankind no matter how one twists the story.

It is sometime profitable to look at an issue "spiritually" to find answers...

Adam and Eve lost their spirit... They were warned of the consequences. There was only ONE condition... They chose to emancipate themselves from this spirit. After Adam watched his spirit die... Adam fell further and gave dominion over the earth to the devil. This second act was high treason against God...

After all of this... God in his loving kindness showed mercy and grace on humans (Adam and Eve and so on..) and made deals to give them various commodities of this spirit. So they could know... Yet this spirit was still conditional, based on works, sacrifices or simple faith... Jesus Christ came and made the spirit (as "seed", unconditionally and of equal measure) available to all who pursue it.

A spiritual perspective gleans the most understanding..

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Science itself was created by intelligence why wouldn't the scientist see that the universe is created by intelligence too?

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RexRed wrote:

Science itself was created by intelligence why wouldn't the scientist see that the universe is created by intelligence too?

That leads to creator of the creator of the creator .......

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...of the creator. Besides, only god could create "satan." Otherwise, Satan is more powerful than god, becuase we just need to look at humanity - past, present and future. Satan wins hand's down.

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Here is a thought
If this IS an evolving universe, shouldn't there be hundreds, thousands or even millions of planets throught the galaxy with intellegent life. Space should be filled with radio signals from all these other planets that were formed at the same time as earth, yet SETI has yet to hear a peep.

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Another thought
No natural way has been found to explain the formation of planets, stars, and galaxies. An explosion should produce, at best, an outward spray of gas and radiation. This gas should continue expanding, not form intricate planets, stars, and entire galaxies.

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