Evolution? How?

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RexRed wrote:

Genesis 1
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

This means that through billions of years the earth came to a balance and the earth now had (for the most part) a night and a day. This was when God instituted the changes he did on the heavens and the earth in Genesis. Considering in the earth's history there was a time when the earth did not even have a moon and the earth was much larger and spun at a different rate..

Why would a God diddle around tweaking things one after another when it could easilty just have blinked it all into perfection back at the Big Bang and just waited for it to unfold.

The very idea of an all powerful and all knowing God, having to tweak things along the way is crazy.

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Rosbourne, What is the point of working in mysterious ways, if there's nobody around to think you're mysterious ?

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Eorl wrote:

Rosbourne, What is the point of working in mysterious ways, if there's nobody around to think you're mysterious ?

The process doesn't look mysterious to me, it just looks dumb. Especially in comparison to the elegance we see in natural evolution (which doesn't need any tweaking).

It seems pretty obvious, even to a primate like me, that an omniscient creator would not do anything in sequence because time is irrelevent to it. Everything would be set in motion in one brillians stoke, like a Big Bang Smile

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Steve, I always try to be helpful. Wink

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It seems pretty obvious, even to a primate like me, that an omniscient creator would not do anything in sequence because time is irrelevent to it. Everything would be set in motion in one brillians stoke, like a Big Bang

Which leads us back to... "the creation story" is just an early attempt to explain the world and how it was formed. A statement that "creationists" refuse to accept.

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It seems most probable to me that humans created gods and the book called the bible with all it's convoluted rules and regulations for man. I have also observed what happened to our family and its memebers; we started out Buddhist, and when our mother converted to Christianity, we started going to a Christian church. All my siblings and their spouses are Christians - as are all their children. As the black sheep of the family, I renounced all religion (created by man) and now claim atheism. I also married a Buddhist, and our children do not follow any religion.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

It seems most probable to me that humans created gods and the book called the bible with all it's convoluted rules and regulations for man.

It's more than probable, it's transparently obvious. Smile

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God is mysterious all right; he does everything and nothing at the same time.

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Only humans understand him/her or it.

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rosborne979 wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Genesis 1
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

This means that through billions of years the earth came to a balance and the earth now had (for the most part) a night and a day. This was when God instituted the changes he did on the heavens and the earth in Genesis. Considering in the earth's history there was a time when the earth did not even have a moon and the earth was much larger and spun at a different rate..

Why would a God diddle around tweaking things one after another when it could easilty just have blinked it all into perfection back at the Big Bang and just waited for it to unfold.

The very idea of an all powerful and all knowing God, having to tweak things along the way is crazy.

God doesn't usually break his own laws...
One law is the law of free will...
This is why God is trustworthy and his promises are true...
Be it the free will of the earth to develop on it's own or humans to make up their own mind...
God is all powerful but God keeps this power leashed by his own principles. The presence of principles do not make one weak but stronger.
Not all (without exception) things are possible. If God were to break his own laws then the entire creation would crumble...

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I don't believe in mass penalty; Adam and Eve made a mistake, and all humans must pay for their 'mistake.' That contradicts any sense of "a loving god." Eating an apple for chrissakes is not equal to the sufferings of mankind no matter how one twists the story.

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rosborne979 wrote:

Eorl wrote:
Rosbourne, What is the point of working in mysterious ways, if there's nobody around to think you're mysterious ?

The process doesn't look mysterious to me, it just looks dumb. Especially in comparison to the elegance we see in natural evolution (which doesn't need any tweaking).

It seems pretty obvious, even to a primate like me, that an omniscient creator would not do anything in sequence because time is irrelevant to it. Everything would be set in motion in one brilliance stoke, like a Big Bang

Rosborn

I would not call dinosaurs elegant.... I would call them rather crude and an evolutionary failure... This whole discussion does not address the issue that there was (according to the Bible) an antagonist (devil) here on the earth during evolution (and even now). And it is considerable that what Genesis is saying that God came down and (Because the devil evolved the dinosaurs God had the "legal" right to act upon the earth too and evolve humans) tipped the scales for evolution so humans could evolve...

The Bible says, the earth was without "form"... It is well understood that humans are now the greatest "form" on the earth... Genesis is not a contradiction to science but a compliment...

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RexRed wrote:

There are billions of years in Genesis somewhere and I will show you where...

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Notice the first "was" in verse 2 above is not in italics and the second "was" is? Look in any King James Bible, every one is like this. Why did the translators italicize only one "was"? I will leave that question with you all and see who can give me the answer...

Genesis 1
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

This means that through billions of years the earth came to a balance and the earth now had (for the most part) a night and a day. This was when God instituted the changes he did on the heavens and the earth in Genesis. Considering in the earth's history there was a time when the earth did not even have a moon and the earth was much larger and spun at a different rate..

Rexred, I am not sure if you are being serious or just having fun. You are jumping through so many hoops to make what is known today fit into what was written way back then, that you would make a Native American hoop dancer proud.

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Maybe he's an expert hooper. LOL

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RexRed wrote:

God doesn't usually break his own laws...
One law is the law of free will...
This is why God is trustworthy and his promises are true...
Be it the free will of the earth to develop on it's own or humans to make up their own mind...
God is all powerful but God keeps this power leashed by his own principles. The presence of principles do not make one weak but stronger.
Not all (without exception) things are possible. If God were to break his own laws then the entire creation would crumble...

It's illogical to claim than an all powerful deity is allowing free will while also making changes to his creation. Changes are by definition alterations in free will and natural development.

It's irrational to claim that a deity would not force his will on all of creation, and then say that he's being consistant by forcing his will on little pieces of creation. Humans may not be able to see into the future and know what their actions will affect, but an all powerful all knowing deity can't even help knowing all this ahead of time.

Your arguments are internally illogical. I can't even make sense of your world view when applying your own rules to it.

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I would not call dinosaurs elegant.... I would call them rather crude and an evolutionary failure...

And yet , next to humans and maybe mammals, they are the greatest evolutionary success. If success is measured by longevity in dominance the dinosaurs win (this may discount early cambrian and silurian creatures). They are some of the most successful and I guess elegant creatures there were. Let's face if we faced a huige asteroid or whatever event killed them off we would be killed off too. 300 million years of domination definately counts as a success.

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Nah, the flood killed them off...

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RexRed wrote:

I would not call dinosaurs elegant.... I would call them rather crude and an evolutionary failure...

Ridiculous, Dinosaurs were phenomenally successful, enduring on this planet for a span of time which makes our existance seem insignificant. And descendants of dinosaurs exist today as birds, arguable the most elegant and advanced creatures on the planet.

RexRed wrote:

It is well understood that humans are now the greatest "form" on the earth... Genesis is not a contradiction to science but a compliment...

Congratulations on assigning yourself status as "greatest form on Earth". You must be quite proud.

Genesis is a total chaotic irrational fantasy requiring desperate semantic and contextual contortions merely to reach a status of "what the hell are you talking about", beyond which we just have to shake our heads in disbelief and walk away. The story of Genisis doesn't compliment science any more than the tooth fairy compliments dentistry.

Get a grip on reality man. Really... sheesh.

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