Evolution? How?

farmerman wrote:

MA

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Farmerman made it pretty clear to me he just thinks I'm ignorant.

Lets get it crrect, I said ACTIVELY IGNORANT. We are all ignorant, I revel in mine cause its what I do for a living. Why study what you already know.
ACTIVE IGNORANCE is the state of being shown that beating ones head against a wall is not in ones best interest, but nonetheless, one continues beating ones head against the wall because thats what one does.

Well, I can look out for my own interests. You do not know anything about me and I know nothing about you.

And you don't have to admit it was offensive. It was offensive to me. And I have nothing else to say about it.

snood, Ever look at yourself in the mirror? LOL

ros, J Tuzo Wilson, A canadian who, after many years of screwing around with magnetics and structure came upon a theory we call Plate Tectonics. There are many more , too.

Frank, Did I ever mention the fact that your style of debate deserves five stars? You have the right skills and knowledge to debate; 1) patience, 2) knowledge of the topic, 3) statement by statement response, 4) don't allow any response that do not meet the simplest rules of logic, and 5) you have the persistence of a bulldog.

Momma. Then I have the good common sense to not wade too deeply into conversations where the title "Evolution -How?" doesnt ask "Why do I believe in a SUpreme Being"
You havent even done a half baked job of sewing up your very thoughts on the subject. Youre too busy tring to proselytize, and youre doing a terrible job of it.
You are pretty much talking around most people and youre busy becoming offended because people dont just jump on your Revelation Bandwagon.
Ive just gently chided you with a slight . Ive not been mean spirited. Im just trying to state that the tone of this entire dicussion has degraded quite a bit.
Your comment about "what constitutes proof" was me, mouth agape, wondering how you see the natural world.
If you wish not to accept anthing in science FINE. However, I wouldnt spend alot of time shouting out my ignorance at the same time Im taking pot shots at the opposition. It destroys your credibility.
Sort -of-Like, never reviewing a movie unless youve seen it DOnt ever discuss what is, or is not scientific, until youve learned a bit of it.

farmerman wrote:

momma angel

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Why would I want to hang around where people get patted on the back for demeaning others?

I have no patience with active ignorance. Im usually quite patient. I enjoy discussions with Real Life, because he starts with a premise of discounting evidence. You are one of those myriads who, neither understanding, nor understanding that they dont understand at all, doesnt let that stop them from engaging in discussions where , even totally outgunned, will continue a mantra based on popular Christian Fundamentalist Dogma. We know your points but they are severely lacking in logical presentation. You miss what ci said and then dump on him.You state that you see your God in everything , and when questioned "howzat?" you begin snivveling.
If you believe , as I said before, THATS FINE, but you still dont UNDERSTAND the points that others have made Its as if you have a blindfold on as you repeat your mantras in hopes that something will stick.
(Thats what I mean by active ignorance)

Farmerman,

I don't feel a need to engage in a tit for tat with you either. If you don't like the way I post or what I post then don't read it. Just as I will skip over yours if that is what I feel.

It just befuddles me that so many jump on the bandwagon to defend someone when they are being told what they are doing is offensive. That's what angers me the most. It just appears that some will not even admit one iota that they may have been offensive. It's always the person it was aimed at is being too sensitive, etc.

I am only talking about common courtesy and it is dismissed.

Pauligirl wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

Oh, I know Frank. I know. ;-)

How come you only respond to the easy posts now?

I respond to them all, Intrepid. I respond to them all.

By the way...

...I asked you how you know...not whether or not you think you know.

I already know that you think you know there is a God.

Since there is always the possibility that you are deluding yourself...and since I have seen you to be a very careful poster and one heck of an intelligent person...

...I was wondering how you have determined that you are not deluding yourself about this.

So...tell us, Intrepid: How do you KNOW there is a god?

(Gotta be honest with ya, ole friend...I've asked several people this same question...including several who KNOW there are no gods...

...and none has given a response that makes any sense.

Sure am hoping you can beat the jinx.

Frank, you and your friends are wrong. You and they have been affected by the scepticism of a sceptical age. You do not believe except you see. You think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by your minds. All minds, Frank, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours, man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

Yes, Frank, there is a God. My God. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. How dreary would be the world if there were no God to praise. It would be as dreary as if there were no Franks. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The external light with which love fills the world would be extinguished.

Yes, Frank, I believe in God. I believe that he gave his Son for the forgiveness of our sins. I believe that Jesus prepares a place for us where we will dwell with him and the Father for eternity.

What if I am wrong, you ask? No matter, Frank. If my believe has been for naught and I live my life according to the teachings of Jesus, I will have made a difference in this world that I otherwise would not have made. I will be blessed and happy.

Sorry, this worked better when it was written about Santa Claus.

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You insightful and well thought out reply is very much appreciated. You have brought much to the conversation.

Intrepid wrote:

Pauligirl wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

Oh, I know Frank. I know. ;-)

How come you only respond to the easy posts now?

I respond to them all, Intrepid. I respond to them all.

By the way...

...I asked you how you know...not whether or not you think you know.

I already know that you think you know there is a God.

Since there is always the possibility that you are deluding yourself...and since I have seen you to be a very careful poster and one heck of an intelligent person...

...I was wondering how you have determined that you are not deluding yourself about this.

So...tell us, Intrepid: How do you KNOW there is a god?

(Gotta be honest with ya, ole friend...I've asked several people this same question...including several who KNOW there are no gods...

...and none has given a response that makes any sense.

Sure am hoping you can beat the jinx.

Frank, you and your friends are wrong. You and they have been affected by the scepticism of a sceptical age. You do not believe except you see. You think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by your minds. All minds, Frank, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours, man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

Yes, Frank, there is a God. My God. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. How dreary would be the world if there were no God to praise. It would be as dreary as if there were no Franks. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The external light with which love fills the world would be extinguished.

Yes, Frank, I believe in God. I believe that he gave his Son for the forgiveness of our sins. I believe that Jesus prepares a place for us where we will dwell with him and the Father for eternity.

What if I am wrong, you ask? No matter, Frank. If my believe has been for naught and I live my life according to the teachings of Jesus, I will have made a difference in this world that I otherwise would not have made. I will be blessed and happy.

Sorry, this worked better when it was written about Santa Claus.

P

You insightful and well thought out reply is very much appreciated. You have brought much to the conversation.

What, you didn't think anybody would notice that you ripped off Francis P. Church's editorial, "Yes Virginia, There is a Santa Claus?"

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I suggest you get acquainted with some of these sources before trying to claim Paul's writings were 50 years after Christ's death. Then you might qualify on the educated part, and it will probably change your guess.

I am amazed by the number of pages this thread has generated six months after the original poster has hung up his towel.

neologist wrote:

I am amazed by the number of pages this thread has generated six months after the original poster has hung up his towel.

Me too. The subject seems to be an almost endless source of interest and opinion on a very wide range of ideas.

rosborne979 wrote:

neologist wrote:

I am amazed by the number of pages this thread has generated six months after the original poster has hung up his towel.

Me too. The subject seems to be an almost endless source of interest and opinion on a very wide range of ideas.

I used to vacation in NH when I lived on the East Coast. Hiked up Mt. Washington several times.