Evolution? How?

How far back does my geneology go? All I could obtain from Japan was only three generations back from my grandfather. Written history in Japan is scarce except for royalty. Gong back a vew hundred generations, I believe all of our ancestors originated in Africa - yours too.

Rancor, disdain and contempt is much better treatment than your god's treatment of innocent humans.

Your so-called answer to me "YOU MUST READ THE WHOLE BOOK" is not considered an answer by anybody.

If you were working for me, I would expect straight answers to my questions. If you failed in that, I would give you a warning in writing, and tell you what the consequences would be for insubordination; all work related, ofcoarse.

Disrespect? Because your god is a jealous, vendictive god? Give me a break.

Glad you enjoyed my summary about "geneology."

So, you want contemporary proof of Jesus' existence?

But, you only use non-contemporary evidence of Christians forcing our religion down your throats?

And again, I am sure you can find plenty of contemporary books that have Jesus in them. However, as I have told you before, if it's scientific proof you want, I can't give it to you.

Momma Angel wrote:

So, you want contemporary proof of Jesus' existence?

But, you only use non-contemporary evidence of Christians forcing our religion down your throats?

And again, I am sure you can find plenty of contemporary books that have Jesus in them. However, as I have told you before, if it's scientific proof you want, I can't give it to you.

contemporary = contempory of jesus's time. say the romans. or other peoples at that time.

all evidence i use/cite of christians forcing their religion on others (charlemange, spanairds, et al) have been recorded by victor, vanquished and 3rd party observers alive, DURING those said persecutions - making them "contemporary" evidence. there's even archeological evidence against those crimes that can be dated back to the era when those forcings took place.

so far i know, neither greek nor roman nor babylonian historians have made any record of such a person existing during their time.

Man lies, ....

Well then, that would make the Bible pretty contemporary, wouldn't it?

And I don't think they had too many publishing houses back then that were pumping out books. And, since you already know all of that, guess you can answer your own question.

Momma Angel wrote:

So, you want contemporary proof of Jesus' existence?

But, you only use non-contemporary evidence of Christians forcing our religion down your throats?

And again, I am sure you can find plenty of contemporary books that have Jesus in them. However, as I have told you before, if it's scientific proof you want, I can't give it to you.

contemporary = contempory of jesus's time. say the romans. or other peoples at that time.

all evidence i use/cite of christians forcing their religion on others (charlemange, spanairds, et al) have been recorded by victor, vanquished and 3rd party observers alive, DURING those said persecutions - making them "contemporary" evidence. there's even archeological evidence against those crimes that can be dated back to the era when those forcings took place.

so far i know, neither greek nor roman nor babylonian historians have made any record of such a person existing during their time.

God does not change His word.

real life,
brahmin didn't said "Jesus never existed." He was merely pointing out the lack of contemporary third party records of Jesus.

The "Jesus never existed" theory that you mention is a red herring and a straw man argument.

You say that the Jews never believed that "Jesus never existed," but that's an obtuse statement. To which Jews are you referring?

The earliest Jew to write about Jesus was Saul (Paulus) of Tarsus who's earliest writings date to about 50 years after Jesus' life and death. Paul wasn't his contemporary.

Intrepid wrote:

Frank.....

Can you provide me with absolute proof that your wife/mate loves you?

Absolutely not.

1) There is a god. Hypothesis? None
2) Does Frank's wife love him? Hypothesis? Ask his wife.

#1 is impossible to prove. #2 is relatively easy to prove.

I've had the habit of calling a spade a spade at the risk of offending people. Having worked in management most of my life, when employees refuse to accept any instruction or warnings, I wasn't in the habit of beating around the bush to make people feel good. Firmness and fairness was always uppermost in my mind, but some employees continued to neglect the warnings.

I don't need absolute proof of your god - just enough that goes beyond one book written over two thousand years ago.

Intrepid wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

Oh, I know Frank. I know. ;-)

How come you only respond to the easy posts now?

I respond to them all, Intrepid. I respond to them all.

By the way...

...I asked you how you know...not whether or not you think you know.

I already know that you think you know there is a God.

Since there is always the possibility that you are deluding yourself...and since I have seen you to be a very careful poster and one heck of an intelligent person...

...I was wondering how you have determined that you are not deluding yourself about this.

So...tell us, Intrepid: How do you KNOW there is a god?

(Gotta be honest with ya, ole friend...I've asked several people this same question...including several who KNOW there are no gods...

...and none has given a response that makes any sense.

Sure am hoping you can beat the jinx.

Frank, you and your friends are wrong. You and they have been affected by the scepticism of a sceptical age. You do not believe except you see. You think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by your minds. All minds, Frank, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours, man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

Yes, Frank, there is a God. My God. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. How dreary would be the world if there were no God to praise. It would be as dreary as if there were no Franks. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The external light with which love fills the world would be extinguished.

Yes, Frank, I believe in God. I believe that he gave his Son for the forgiveness of our sins. I believe that Jesus prepares a place for us where we will dwell with him and the Father for eternity.

What if I am wrong, you ask? No matter, Frank. If my believe has been for naught and I live my life according to the teachings of Jesus, I will have made a difference in this world that I otherwise would not have made. I will be blessed and happy.

Sorry, this worked better when it was written about Santa Claus.

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I refer to Frank alot, because I know he has much more knowledge about the bible than most people on this planet - or at least in my circle of friends.

I also tend to refer to people, both dead and alive, who have shown to be experts in their fields in my subjective observation.

What you "feel" as proof is no proof at all. Just because people feel that the sun circles the earth, doesn't make it true.

All I've asked is to provide proof beyond what the comic book the bible says; nothing more, nothing less. It must stand logical scrutiny at the very minimum. "I feel and I think are not proofs." No court of law would accept such statement as fact.

I think he murdered his wife. I feel he murdered his wife.
I doubt very much any jury will accept these as acceptable evidence.

Going back a vew hundred generations, I believe all of our ancestors originated in Africa - yours too.

You're asking for proof, real life? Get real.

The late dates of Paul's writings are established through educated guessing.