Evolution? How?

so where's the evidence ?

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No. The question is how best to live with it.

So, since that sounds like religious freedom to me, are you saying it's okay for you to believe what you believe and I can believe what I believe and we neither have the right to demean the other or the other's beliefs?

of existance. in any book aside of that one.

Suppose my "take on things" is that the god someone else "believes" exists is a disgusting, jealous, vengeful, quick-to-anger slow-to-forgive, retributive, tyrannical, selfish, uncaring, brutish, murderous barbarian...and that adoring and worshipping this god is such a negative for society that it is my further "take on things" that every decent, caring, loving human being should be doing everything in his/her power to wipe the religion based on this god from the face of the Earth...

How many times have we Christians been told that we force our religion down others throats?

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How many times have we Christians been told that we force our religion down others throats?

constantine, charlemange, templar knights, inquisitions, spaniards in SA, moteley missionary crews screwing other natives.... cant see how what they've been told is out of place....

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Suppose my "take on things" is that the god someone else "believes" exists is a disgusting, jealous, vengeful, quick-to-anger slow-to-forgive, retributive, tyrannical, selfish, uncaring, brutish, murderous barbarian...and that adoring and worshipping this god is such a negative for society that it is my further "take on things" that every decent, caring, loving human being should be doing everything in his/her power to wipe the religion based on this god from the face of the Earth...

That's religious freedom, Frank? How many times have we Christians been told that we force our religion down others throats? You would have it that Christians should stop spreading the word of 'what they have taken on' (in respect to you there) as a kind, loving, and forgiving God that if more people 'took Him on' that the world would be a better place. But, you should have the right to demean and belittle others for their beliefs?

So, since you think what 'you have taken on' is superior to what we 'have taken on?'

Rosborne979 Wrote:

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No. The question is how best to live with it.

So, since that sounds like religious freedom to me, are you saying it's okay for you to believe what you believe and I can believe what I believe and we neither have the right to demean the other or the other's beliefs?

What trancends science, cannot be proven by it.

What trancends science, cannot be proven by it.

What trancends science, cannot be proven by it.

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Momma Angel wrote:
Frank Apisa Wrote:

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Suppose my "take on things" is that the god someone else "believes" exists is a disgusting, jealous, vengeful, quick-to-anger slow-to-forgive, retributive, tyrannical, selfish, uncaring, brutish, murderous barbarian...and that adoring and worshipping this god is such a negative for society that it is my further "take on things" that every decent, caring, loving human being should be doing everything in his/her power to wipe the religion based on this god from the face of the Earth...



That's religious freedom, Frank? How many times have we Christians been told that we force our religion down others throats? You would have it that Christians should stop spreading the word of 'what they have taken on' (in respect to you there) as a kind, loving, and forgiving God that if more people 'took Him on' that the world would be a better place. But, you should have the right to demean and belittle others for their beliefs?

So, since you think what 'you have taken on' is superior to what we 'have taken on?'


That is not what I am saying, MA...and if you read what I actually wrote...you would see that.

You are demanding that I "respect" your "beliefs."

Are you respecting "my take on things?"

Are you??????

Well, I believe in letting people believe whatever they want to believe as long as they don't pose a specific danger to society (the general argument of religion being a bad thing isn't strong enough for me to accept).

However, my point to Frank was just that the reality of the world is that religion is here with us and not likely to be gone any time in the near future. Certainly it will outlive those of us chatting today. So we should remain tolerant whenever possible and try to enjoy life with the mix of views.

Of course, none of that means that we can't try to convince each other of the validity of our own views.

thunder_runner32 Wrote:

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What trancends science, cannot be proven by it.

Amen!

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Momma Angel wrote:
Frank Apisa Wrote:

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Suppose my "take on things" is that the god someone else "believes" exists is a disgusting, jealous, vengeful, quick-to-anger slow-to-forgive, retributive, tyrannical, selfish, uncaring, brutish, murderous barbarian...and that adoring and worshipping this god is such a negative for society that it is my further "take on things" that every decent, caring, loving human being should be doing everything in his/her power to wipe the religion based on this god from the face of the Earth...



That's religious freedom, Frank? How many times have we Christians been told that we force our religion down others throats? You would have it that Christians should stop spreading the word of 'what they have taken on' (in respect to you there) as a kind, loving, and forgiving God that if more people 'took Him on' that the world would be a better place. But, you should have the right to demean and belittle others for their beliefs?

So, since you think what 'you have taken on' is superior to what we 'have taken on?'


That is not what I am saying, MA...and if you read what I actually wrote...you would see that.

You are demanding that I "respect" your "beliefs."

Are you respecting "my take on things?"

Are you??????

Frank, you and I have had plenty of run ins earlier on A2K. During those run ins, you called me some rather demeaning names because of what I believed. Wait - that is not the point yet. But, through further discussions, we came to an understanding and you have taken on a much kinder, gentler tone, that I appreciate more than you can imagine.

I am not demanding that you respect my beliefs, just my right to have them, which is what I feel you have been doing here of late.

Am I respecting your 'take on things'? I believe I am. I have put no negative connotations to your take of things.

But, this is my point, Frank. it seems that the non-believers think it is perfectly ok to put pretty strong negative connotations on the believers and their beliefs. And because you feel your take on things is the correct take, you (and you have stated it yourself) feel it is your duty to try to wipe our take on things from the face of the earth.

Now, what is the difference between you trying to wipe out our take on things and us discussing our take on things? I will admit there are believers who do try to force things down others' throats, but I am talking about in these threads.

I am not attempting to wipe out your take on things nor am I trying to wipe out anyone elses' take on things. I am sharing what I believe. Whether it is accepted by anyone is totally up to them. If they don't accept it then they don't accept it. It doesn't make them anything other than what they already are but with a little more information because of our discussions.

If those that believe in God were trying to force it down non believers throats it would not be hard. Since 80% of the population believes in God, it would not be much of a shootout.

Seriously... There have been, and continue to be religious zealots that do not speak for the rest of us.

Most Christians, at least those that I know, do not want to force anything down anybody's throat. They do want to give them the opportunity to make their own choice. In the meantime, they make every effort to act in a civilized and Godly manner toward their fellow man. Those who are serious about their faith have no problem tolerating those things that they do not agree with; can forgive without reservation; are happy in their faith; are open to trying to understand different viewpoints.

Some, like me, believe in God and the creation but do not discount certain elements of evolution. Only a fool would completely discount everything out of blind conviction. I believe that the two can co-exist without bashing each other.