neologist
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 09:02 pm
Time for a brewski!

Anybody care to join?

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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 09:09 pm
neologist wrote:
Time for a brewski!

Anybody care to join?

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Only if you make mine scotch and water. Oh, with a twist!
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 09:23 pm
Well, you can only try to bring focus back to a thread so many times.

I'm not a miracle worker, ya know.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 09:29 pm
Evolution seems to be a myth... :wink:
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 09:34 pm
real life wrote:
Seriously though -- in this thread (at least the most recent portions in which I have taken active part), we haven't heard from very many theistic evolutionists. I would like to get their take on the topic at hand (the last few pages notwithstanding).


What is a Theistic Evolutionist?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 09:35 pm
A person of faith who can also accept evolution.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 09:38 pm
Intrepid wrote:
A person of faith who can also accept evolution.


Faith in what? God in general, or a specific religion.

I suspect that there are a great many people with a spiritual faith who accept evolution, but probably not many fundamental christians.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 09:46 pm
rosborne979 wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
A person of faith who can also accept evolution.


Faith in what? God in general, or a specific religion.

I suspect that there are a great many people with a spiritual faith who accept evolution, but probably not many fundamental christians.


A theist is anyone who believes in the existence of at least one god.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 10:07 pm
Intrepid is now into definitions. Oh, goody!
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mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:49 pm
rosborne979 wrote:
real life wrote:
Seriously though -- in this thread (at least the most recent portions in which I have taken active part), we haven't heard from very many theistic evolutionists. I would like to get their take on the topic at hand (the last few pages notwithstanding).


What is a Theistic Evolutionist?


They seem to be a rather rare breed here on A2K, but I think this addresses the issue.

In another thread here I posted this letter.

Quote:
An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science

"Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook.

Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible - the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark - convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.

We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests.

To reject this truth or to treat it as one theory among others is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God's good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our creator.

To argue that God's loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris.

We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge.

We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth."


http://www.uwosh.edu/colleges/cols/religion_science_collaboration.htm
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2005 12:17 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Intrepid is now into definitions. Oh, goody!


This must be one of the most intelligent posts that you have made.

Someone asks a serious question that gets answered and you jump in with silly comments. Grow up.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2005 02:08 am
Intrepid wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
A person of faith who can also accept evolution.


Faith in what? God in general, or a specific religion.

I suspect that there are a great many people with a spiritual faith who accept evolution, but probably not many fundamental christians.


A theist is anyone who believes in the existence of at least one god.


I suspect most...perhaps every...theist in this forum "believes in" one god and only one god.

And if they ever got in touch with why they reject all the other gods...they might be able to appreciate why so many reject theirs.


Will humanity ever grow up enough to get past this silly superstitious nonsense?
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2005 07:17 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
Will humanity ever grow up enough to get past this silly superstitious nonsense?


No. The question is how best to live with it.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2005 07:20 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
I suspect most...perhaps every...theist in this forum "believes in" one god and only one god.


And I suspect that almost evey scientist on this forum leaves room for the possibility of at least a small bit of spirituality in their world view. But that in no way conflicts with evolution, so we don't hear about it. It's only the narrowly focused fundamental views which are at odds with reality.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2005 07:39 am
real life said
Quote:
Add to that the fact that the Bible is not one book, but many. Written over a span of hundreds of years, by dozens of penmen. Each gives the same description of sinful Man and his dilemma before a holy God, but in completely different styles, genres and under varying circumstances with unique perspectives.
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Sort of like a holy chain letter.
I grudgingly have to respect all of you who are believers in a Supreme Being and keep the rules based upon the teachings of the Bible. However I still have to be turned away by the history , and logic contained therein. Biblical archeology has , made some discoveries of sites and lives of patriarchs t that is relevant to the teachings of the Bible. However, archeaology has not, to this day, been able to provide any strong evidence about the principle deities mentioned therein. There isnt any strong evidence that Jesus even existed.
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thunder runner32
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2005 07:55 am
Quote:
However, archeaology has not, to this day, been able to provide any strong evidence about the principle deities mentioned therein. There isnt any strong evidence that Jesus even existed.



Well, I'm not sure what you expect as far as evidence for God, he didn't go around writing "God was here!"

To my knowledge, most historical scholars have accepted the fact that Jesus did walk the earth.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2005 08:59 am
There is historical eyewitness evidence that Jesus existed but no archaeological evidence. Was farmerman making a parallel to fundamentalists talking about an incomplete fossil record for evolution?
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2005 09:10 am
thunder_runner32 wrote:
Quote:
However, archeaology has not, to this day, been able to provide any strong evidence about the principle deities mentioned therein. There isnt any strong evidence that Jesus even existed.



Well, I'm not sure what you expect as far as evidence for God, he didn't go around writing "God was here!"

To my knowledge, most historical scholars have accepted the fact that Jesus did walk the earth.


Good point, Runner.

Even Jewish scholars, who would have the most to gain by maintaining Jesus never existed, have for 20 centuries overwhelmingly admitted that He lived and taught in Judea in the first century and was put to death.

The "Jesus never existed" argument is so far fetched, it is amazing that some still attempt it.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2005 09:16 am
Rosborne979 Wrote:

Quote:
No. The question is how best to live with it.


So, since that sounds like religious freedom to me, are you saying it's okay for you to believe what you believe and I can believe what I believe and we neither have the right to demean the other or the other's beliefs?
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brahmin
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2005 09:20 am
so where's the evidence ?
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