Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 05:52 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
MA, About your question? Here's my answer: Read the Brittanica encyclopedia from A thru Z. That's the only way you'll understand my answer. It might also help if you memorize the desk Dictionary you have access to - to understand the English language and the definition for words.


So, in other words you have absolutely no idea yourself what your answer was and nobody else can figure it out without going through the entire encyclopedia and dictionaries. Why limit it to the English language?
Rolling Eyes
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 05:55 pm
Your understanding of my statement is right on target.
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Pauligirl
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 07:16 pm
brahmin wrote:
Pauligirl wrote:
I think you pretty much get the god you deserve.



could you (also) have meant...."i think you pretty much deserve the god you make" ??


That too. The belief tends to reflect the believer.
P
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 07:32 pm
Based on the premise that each person makes their own god, I wonder how many gods there are - today? What subjective criteria differentiates one god from another?
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Pauligirl
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 07:50 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Based on the premise that each person makes their own god, I wonder how many gods there are - today? What subjective criteria differentiates one god from another?


Probably as many as there are people that believe in them. Some go for the hairy thunderer of the OT, others for the marshmellow of the NT.

The criteria that differentiates is in the personality of the believer. Kinda like beauty being in the eye of the beholder.

All just my humble opinion. :wink:
P
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 07:54 pm
Pauligirl Wrote:

Quote:
The criteria that differentiates is in the personality of the believer. Kinda like beauty being in the eye of the beholder.


Could you expand on that some? I am particularly interested in the 'is in the personality of the believer'.

I would appreciate it. Thank you.
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Pauligirl
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 07:56 pm
Momma Angel wrote:

Yes, God in the OT did the things it said He did. It also tells you why He did those things, but you and others have not accepted the fact that He is God and He makes the rules, not us.



And there lies the problem. The only fact contained here is that you "accepted the fact that He is God and He makes the rules."

That is not part of my belief system. And since you have no proof, it simply makes it your belief, not a fact.

It makes it seem that you think some of us are like unruly children, thumbing our noses at your god's authority, when the truth is, some of us simply don't think your god exists.

Don't forget...The apples have their faith and no scientific proof.
P
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Pauligirl
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:02 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Pauligirl Wrote:

Quote:
The criteria that differentiates is in the personality of the believer. Kinda like beauty being in the eye of the beholder.


Could you expand on that some? I am particularly interested in the 'is in the personality of the believer'.

I would appreciate it. Thank you.


You appear to be a nice person, therefore your god is a kind and loving god. Others preach fire and brimstone and eternal damnation. They go for the hairy thunderer, the dark angry god of the OT.

Simple, but I think there's some truth in there.
P
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:05 pm
Pauligirl wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
Pauligirl Wrote:

Quote:
The criteria that differentiates is in the personality of the believer. Kinda like beauty being in the eye of the beholder.


Could you expand on that some? I am particularly interested in the 'is in the personality of the believer'.

I would appreciate it. Thank you.


You appear to be a nice person, therefore your god is a kind and loving god. Others preach fire and brimstone and eternal damnation. They go for the hairy thunderer, the dark angry god of the OT.

Simple, but I think there's some truth in there.
P

Thank you. You explained that very clearly.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:21 pm
Which is very similar to a comment I made to MA a while back, here

mesquite wrote:

I think you are attracted to the Beatitudes because of your character and who you are. I suspect you would gravitate in that direction even without your religion. The problem lies in that not everyone has your strength of character.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:24 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
I'm not "ranting," but asking a very simple question which you refuse to answer. Most fictional books written on this planet can be summarized into several paragraphs, but you refuse to do this because you fear the wrath of your comic book/fictional god.

Your fear is understandable. Your projection about other people's "ranting" is only in your dreams. Your attempts to attacking me is a waste of time, because I will continue to ask the simple quesions - as will Frank. It seems you are missing Frank's message to you; you lack logic in your posts for intelligent debate.

You have not answered my question.
Here's the very simple answer: The Old Testament (Covenant) tells how man was created perfect and given free will. It explains how Satan (Rebel) incited the first human pair into joining his rebellion thereby earning the sentence of death for themselves and their descendants. God explained in Genesis chapter three that he would provide a remedy for mankind's condition. The remainder of the OT shows God's understanding of the true nature of sin and uses the Mosaic Law to help the Jews identify the messiah (the only one able to follow the law perfectly)

The New Testament (Covenant) explains how Jesus followed the law and was therefore able to institute a New Law for Christians to follow. It also explains that many false teachers would arise to play false to the law. It ends in the book of Revelation which describes how God will execute judgement on all false religious leaders and the oppressive governments with whom they have consorted in oppressing mankind.

All those who died without having accurate knowledge of God will be given an opportunity in the resurrection to experience the life which Adam and Eve Lost. Same God - Same purpose from beginning to end.

Now, you may think it harsh of God to allow us to have been born knowing the hardship and pain we would experience, but ask yourself this: If your child had a serious disease which could be cured only by a painful operation, would you not permit him or her to experience the pain for the greater good?

Would you expect any less of the God of love?

If you believe the bible, that is.

Pauligirl wrote:
neologist wrote:
Pauligirl wrote:
If I had written the bible, the god would be up to my standards. . .
P
The height of arrogance, my dear.

You, whose entire perception of reality is limited by the constructs of space and time would presume to judge God, who created them.

And the pot complains to the potter.


No arrogance intended. My fictional god would be better than the bible's fictional god because he's mine and I made him to my standards, not yours and anybody else's.

I think you pretty much get the god you deserve.
P
Actually, I think the God of the bible is infinitely superior to any created by man.

If you believe the bible, that is.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:24 pm
mesquite wrote:
Which is very similar to a comment I made to MA a while back, here

mesquite wrote:

I think you are attracted to the Beatitudes because of your character and who you are. I suspect you would gravitate in that direction even without your religion. The problem lies in that not everyone has your strength of character.

Hi Mesquite!

How are you? Still such a beautiful thing for you to say. Haven't seen you much lately.

Embarrassed Almost forgot to add that was very kind of you to say also Pauligirl.

Momma
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brahmin
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:28 pm
hahaha Wink
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:32 pm
brahmin wrote:
hahaha Wink


Okay, who said something funny? LOL
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:32 pm
brahmin wrote:
hahaha Wink
hohoho Laughing
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:35 pm
Neologist Wrote:

Quote:
hohoho Laughing


I want to play too! hehehe Laughing
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:38 pm
Pauligirl wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Based on the premise that each person makes their own god, I wonder how many gods there are - today? What subjective criteria differentiates one god from another?


Probably as many as there are people that believe in them. Some go for the hairy thunderer of the OT, others for the marshmellow of the NT.

The criteria that differentiates is in the personality of the believer. Kinda like beauty being in the eye of the beholder.

All just my humble opinion. :wink:
P


Hi Pauligirl,

With reference to the God of the Bible: the idea that men created God, or the idea of God is completely faulty.

The God of the Bible is described as One who presents Man with a standard of behavior to attain to that can never be met with any amount of human effort.

The Bible teaches that Man CANNOT save himself, no matter what he does. Man is simply incapable of meeting the standard that has been set for him. Not with the aid of a minister, not by superhuman effort. No way.

So who would create a God like that?

Not a priesthood, for it makes them irrelevant.

Not a religious person , for it puts all his effort on the same level as he who gives no effort.

Not an irreligious person, for it utterly condemns his lack of reverence for God.

Add to that the fact that the Bible is not one book, but many. Written over a span of hundreds of years, by dozens of penmen. Each gives the same description of sinful Man and his dilemma before a holy God, but in completely different styles, genres and under varying circumstances with unique perspectives.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:42 pm
real life wrote:
Pauligirl wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Based on the premise that each person makes their own god, I wonder how many gods there are - today? What subjective criteria differentiates one god from another?


Probably as many as there are people that believe in them. Some go for the hairy thunderer of the OT, others for the marshmellow of the NT.

The criteria that differentiates is in the personality of the believer. Kinda like beauty being in the eye of the beholder.

All just my humble opinion. :wink:
P


Hi Pauligirl,

With reference to the God of the Bible: the idea that men created God, or the idea of God is completely faulty.

The God of the Bible is described as One who presents Man with a standard of behavior to attain to that can never be met with any amount of human effort.

The Bible teaches that Man CANNOT save himself, no matter what he does. Man is simply incapable of meeting the standard that has been set for him. Not with the aid of a minister, not by superhuman effort. No way.

So who would create a God like that?

Not a priesthood, for it makes them irrelevant.

Not a religious person , for it puts all his effort on the same level as he who gives no effort.

Not an irreligious person, for it utterly condemns his lack of reverence for God.

Add to that the fact that the Bible is not one book, but many. Written over a span of hundreds of years, by dozens of penmen. Each gives the same description of sinful Man and his dilemma before a holy God, but in completely different styles, genres and under varying circumstances with unique perspectives.
Yeah, what you said.

To which I would add that Adam and Eve were given the facility to perfectly meet God's standards. It was their perfect conscience.
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brahmin
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 08:50 pm
neologist wrote:
brahmin wrote:
hahaha Wink
hohoho Laughing


if i know right, this exchange of ours is rather biblical too ...Wink
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 09:01 pm
But weren't Adam and Eve just dumb cavepersons, recently descended from apes and therefore incapable of understanding moral choices? Laughing

Seriously though -- in this thread (at least the most recent portions in which I have taken active part), we haven't heard from very many theistic evolutionists. I would like to get their take on the topic at hand (the last few pages notwithstanding).
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