Evolution? How?

Pauligirl Wrote:

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I think you pretty much get the god you deserve.

I, for one, am so thankful this is not true (IMO). If I got the god I deserve, being an imperfect human being that is not worthy of God's love, I would be in big doo doo!

I'm blessed that He loves me anyway!

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rosborne979 wrote:

This thread was more fun when we were explaining evolution. (Evolution? How?)

At least with science there's some rational footing to base a discussion on, even if there's disagreement. With a pure Bible discussion it's just a free-for-all of wild interpretations and emotional rants.

The discussion has moved from, Evolution? How? to Bible? Huh??

*looks around, shakes head*

I leave this thread for a SHORT TIME and look what I come back to !

Don't tell me, I don't even wanna know who started it.

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Agood read that is on the target is Chris Mooneys
"The Republican War on SCience"

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cicerone imposter wrote:

I'm not "ranting," but asking a very simple question which you refuse to answer. Most fictional books written on this planet can be summarized into several paragraphs, but you refuse to do this because you fear the wrath of your comic book/fictional god.

Your fear is understandable. Your projection about other people's "ranting" is only in your dreams. Your attempts to attacking me is a waste of time, because I will continue to ask the simple quesions - as will Frank. It seems you are missing Frank's message to you; you lack logic in your posts for intelligent debate.

You have not answered my question.

CI, you seem to be comparing yourself to Frank. You, my friend, are not in the same league. Frank supports his arguements with point by point answers. Not that we necessarily agree with these answers and he and I do not agree on many things. However, you do Frank a disservice to put yourself in the same framework.

Too often, you post scripture from the bible without comment. You expect another answer when you do not get one that you agree with. You have a different agenda and I have not yet figured out what it is.

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I have never compared myself to Frank. Frank is very knowledgable about the bible; all I can do is to post verses from the bible that are contradictory in "human" nature and ethics. It means that any book that purports to have miracles and gods are rated the same as comic books; it ranks as not having logic and lacks common sense and not worth the paper it's written on..

Frank on the other hand has studied the bible, and understands all the nuance of the messages - it's contradictions, errors, and the portrayal of a god that is spiteful, revengeful, teaches homophobia, supports slavery, and kills innocent people for the sin of a few.

Any god that tells its followers to kill everybody that doesn't believe as they do is a psycho. Any god that will promise to let unbelievers burn in hell for eternity is no loving god.

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BTW, posting verses from the bible is self-explanatory, and should not require any further interpretation. It's quite evident that many christians fail to see the message for what it is.

It's also evident that many christians subjectively interpret and rationalize verses to satisfy their own belief system.

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BTW, posting verses from the bible is self-explanatory, and should not require any further interpretation. It's quite evident that many christians fail to see the message for what it is.

It's also evident that many christians subjectively interpret and rationalize verses to satisfy their own belief system. If it contradicts their own sense of right and wrong, they say "god can do anything."

Sure he can, because he's a comic book character.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

I have never compared myself to Frank. Frank is very knowledgable about the bible; all I can do is to post verses from the bible that are contradictory in "human" nature and ethics. It means that any book that purports to have miracles and gods are rated the same as comic books; it ranks as not having logic and lacks common sense and not worth the paper it's written on..

Frank on the other hand has studied the bible, and understands all the nuance of the messages - it's contradictions, errors, and the portrayal of a god that is spiteful, revengeful, teaches homophobia, supports slavery, and kills innocent people for the sin of a few.

Any god that tells its followers to kill everybody that doesn't believe as they do is a psycho. Any god that will promise to let unbelievers burn in hell for eternity is no loving god.

C.I.,

There you go again. Why don't you just go back and get that post of yours I called hypocritical and explain it to me? I haven't forgotten it. I won't forget it. You continually tell us that we are psycho, etc. for believing what we believe. Is this the kind of religious freedom you want to offer everyone? This is what you get so up in arms for? You just seem to want what you want and you don't seem to care what anyone else thinks, unless of course they feel the same way you do.

I may have had run-ins with Frank, but I will tell you this. He is man enough to admit when I even make a slight point. He is man enough to admit when he may have gone overboard on a post with someone.

I am with Intrepid on this one, you are not in Frank's league except for the fact you don't believe in God. And at least Frank admits he just doesn't know. You just flat out tell us there isn't one!

You say you want religious freedom for everyone? In my opinion, you are one of a few who don't want religion period. At least others on A2K recognize that we all have a right to our beliefs and understand that their beliefs shouldn't be forced down our throats anymore than ours should be forced down their's.

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MA, You must learn how to read and interpret the English language. What I said was "Any god that tells its followers to kill everybody that doesn't believe as they do is a psycho. Any god that will promise to let unbelievers burn in hell for eternity is no loving god."

Although you are free to interpret my statement the way you think it reads.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

BTW, posting verses from the bible is self-explanatory, and should not require any further interpretation. It's quite evident that many christians fail to see the message for what it is.

It's also evident that many christians subjectively interpret and rationalize verses to satisfy their own belief system.

I have to point out that you are absolutely incorrect on this. If bible verses were self explanatory, you would not be posting them to refute that which you do not understand. We all know that verses are open to interpretation. That is the whole premise of your arguements.

Your last paragraph completely goes in the opposite direction to your first paragraph.

Oh, and your contention that comic books don't have common sense and logic is totally illogical.

You have a hate for everything religious and you do not take the time to form your opinions without ranting. Calm down, take a moment and formulate your post.

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C.I.,

Call my God a psycho, you call me a psycho. And perhaps that is not the way you mean it, but you know as well as I do and everyone else does that you have showed nothing but disdain and contempt for God and the Christians posting here.

Now, what about that post I keep asking you about?

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You are free to interpret my statement any way you wish; I have no control over how people read and perceive the written word. Hey, if that's how you interpret it, kay-sera-sera.

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C.I.,

Uh, the post? Ok, so you don't want to address it. Hmmm, guess I'll have to come to my own conclusions here.

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Don't you always come to your own conclusions?

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Momma Angel wrote:

The apples have their faith and no scientific proof.

phew.... so you at last accept that about yourself.... that you have no scientific proof, only a lot of faith, (including in the apple).....good.

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MA, About your question? Here's my answer: Read the Brittanica encyclopedia from A thru Z. That's the only way you'll understand my answer. It might also help if you memorize the desk Dictionary you have access to - to understand the English language and the definition for words.

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Pauligirl wrote:

I think you pretty much get the god you deserve.

could you (also) have meant...."i think you pretty much deserve the god you make" ??

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Any god that tells its followers to kill everybody that doesn't believe as they do is a psycho. Any god that will promise to let unbelievers burn in hell for eternity is no loving god.

if thats (^) true, then it sure explains upwards of 2/3 of all religious killings in history.

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brahmin,

I told you before that I could not give you scientific proof. Should come as no surprise to you that I would post that.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

You are free to interpret my statement any way you wish; I have no control over how people read and perceive the written word. Hey, if that's how you interpret it, kay-sera-sera.

Statements that are written in a clear, concise manner can be understood by most people. Perception only comes into play when the words are so convoluted that understanding is not possible.

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