Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 10:05 am
rosborne979 wrote:
This thread was more fun when we were explaining evolution. (Evolution? How?)

At least with science there's some rational footing to base a discussion on, even if there's disagreement. With a pure Bible discussion it's just a free-for-all of wild interpretations and emotional rants.

Ros,

Yes, there was a bit of a free for all there for a bit. I apologize for my part in it. I can tell you this, it's statements like "With a pure Bible discussion it's just a free-for-all of wild interpreations and emotional rants" that tend to get my dander up.

I would love to have a plain and civil discussion with no one getting angered or irked or whatever on either side.

I just don't cotton to some of the descriptions of my beliefs. You know, do unto others?
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thunder runner32
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 10:11 am
Civil? What the heck is that? Wink
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 10:14 am
thunder_runner32 wrote:
Civil? What the heck is that? Wink

Hey TR!

How are you? Haven't seen you in a bit!

LOL. Yes, what is that?
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 10:18 am
Momma Angel wrote:
Yes, there was a bit of a free for all there for a bit. I apologize for my part in it. I can tell you this, it's statements like "With a pure Bible discussion it's just a free-for-all of wild interpreations and emotional rants" that tend to get my dander up.


Hi Momma,

I'm inclined to let people believe whatever they want to believe. And if someone says "this is my opinion", then I don't challenge it because we are all entitled to opinions.

However, an opinion is not necessarily the truth, at least measured scientifically. So what gets my dander up is when people break the rules of logic and science in a desperate attempt to argue that their "opinions" are supported by anything other than pure choice or faith.

As far as bible discussions go, I just don't find them as interesting because there are no rules which govern the interpretations. Anyone can interpret anything they want from the Bible and derive any conclusion they want. It's like playing a game with no rules; no fun. But that's just me. If you all are enjoying it, then please continue on.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 10:27 am
Momma Angel wrote:

Frank,

Don't you take everything into account when deciding whether someone is your friend or not?


Yes.


Quote:
Don't you like to have a pretty good idea of all of their character and not just one particular part of it?


Yes.


Quote:
If you were a defendant on trial for your life, do you want things left out and not the whole story told?


No.

Quote:
Sure, maybe you killed someone but don't you think it might be important why you killed someone? I mean, if he was trying to kill you, I'd say that's self-defense not murder. So, you need to have as much of the story as possible to render your verdict.


Absolutely!


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I would say, judging by most of the posts of those claiming the Bible is not true, they would be a prosecuting attorney trying to toss evidence out right and left.


I don't think so. Most of us arguing about the "character" of the god of the Bible...could care less about whether or not it is true.

We can describe the character of a fiction character....just as easily as we can describe the character of a real person.

So whether or not I think the Bible is true or fiction DOES NOT MATTER when discussing what the character of the god of the Bible is.


Quote:
Yes, God in the OT did the things it said He did. It also tells you why He did those things, but you and others have not accepted the fact that He is God and He makes the rules, not us.


That is absurd, MA.

And even if I were to grant this absurdity...that does not change the fact that the god does these things.

If you want to give the god a free pass because you are terrified of it...do so. But we certainly can make judgements about the actions....without regard to the ficition involved.

MA...as respectfully as I can possibly say this...the stuff the god does is absolutely appalling. The god is disgusting...one of the most disgusting fictional characters I've personally ever encountered.

I still challenge anyone here to come up with a list of every time the god is actually doing something...or speaking to someone...where the primary focus of the god is something nice, kind, compassionate, indicative of an appreciation for the human predicament, indicative of a love for humanity....

...or for that matter, where the focus is NOT punishing, killing, asking others to kill, or threatening.

The god, MA...IS DISGUSTING.

And no extra reading of the Bible is going to change that.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 10:29 am
rosborne979 wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
Yes, there was a bit of a free for all there for a bit. I apologize for my part in it. I can tell you this, it's statements like "With a pure Bible discussion it's just a free-for-all of wild interpreations and emotional rants" that tend to get my dander up.


Hi Momma,

I'm inclined to let people believe whatever they want to believe. And if someone says "this is my opinion", then I don't challenge it because we are all entitled to opinions.

However, an opinion is not necessarily the truth, at least measured scientifically. So what gets my dander up is when people break the rules of logic and science in a desperate attempt to argue that their "opinions" are supported by anything other than pure choice or faith.

As far as bible discussions go, I just don't find them as interesting because there are no rules which govern the interpretations. Anyone can interpret anything they want from the Bible and derive any conclusion they want. It's like playing a game with no rules; no fun. But that's just me. If you all are enjoying it, then please continue on.

Ros,

I think you pointed out the reason the biblical discussions can turn into rants. We are discussing apples and oranges here. The apples have their faith and no scientific proof. The oranges have their science and (not much, if any IMO) faith. I am not saying the oranges have faith in nothing here, just not the faith the apples have. Don't you just hate sometimes have to watch every word so someone won't pick it up and hit you with it? LMBO!

So, the apples don't accept the science and the oranges don't accept the faith.

I think the problem comes in when someone believes they "have" to be right. And that's the whole thing, it's not up to any one of us to say who is right or who is wrong.

So, you see, even though you and I may disagree with the apples and oranges, it doesn't mean I wouldn't have you over for fruitcup!
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 10:34 am
Momma Angel wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
Yes, there was a bit of a free for all there for a bit. I apologize for my part in it. I can tell you this, it's statements like "With a pure Bible discussion it's just a free-for-all of wild interpreations and emotional rants" that tend to get my dander up.


Hi Momma,

I'm inclined to let people believe whatever they want to believe. And if someone says "this is my opinion", then I don't challenge it because we are all entitled to opinions.

However, an opinion is not necessarily the truth, at least measured scientifically. So what gets my dander up is when people break the rules of logic and science in a desperate attempt to argue that their "opinions" are supported by anything other than pure choice or faith.

As far as bible discussions go, I just don't find them as interesting because there are no rules which govern the interpretations. Anyone can interpret anything they want from the Bible and derive any conclusion they want. It's like playing a game with no rules; no fun. But that's just me. If you all are enjoying it, then please continue on.

Ros,

I think you pointed out the reason the biblical discussions can turn into rants. We are discussing apples and oranges here. The apples have their faith and no scientific proof. The oranges have their science and (not much, if any IMO) faith. I am not saying the oranges have faith in nothing here, just not the faith the apples have. Don't you just hate sometimes have to watch every word so someone won't pick it up and hit you with it? LMBO!

So, the apples don't accept the science and the oranges don't accept the faith.

I think the problem comes in when someone believes they "have" to be right. And that's the whole thing, it's not up to any one of us to say who is right or who is wrong.

So, you see, even though you and I may disagree with the apples and oranges, it doesn't mean I wouldn't have you over for fruitcup!


Yes, Frank, I know that is your opinion. I have addressed these issues with you before and we have agreed to disagree time and time again. So, we disagree again.

But you are doing it in a much less caustic manner than you used to. But, of course, no one likes to be called absurd or their opinions absurd.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 10:54 am
"YOU HAVE TO READ IT ALL TO GET THE WHOLE STORY" is not the answer expected. PLEASE SHOW EXAMPLES QUOTED FROM THE BIBLE THAT DIRECTLY ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

The question I posed is: Please explain to us what you mean by "taken into account?"

If all you can do is expect me to "READ IT ALL," you're barking up the wrong tree. It's a very simple question. You are not capable of answering this simple question, because you would end up contradicting yourself, and you fear the wrath of your comic book god.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:00 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
"YOU HAVE TO READ IT ALL TO GET THE WHOLE STORY" is not the answer expected. PLEASE SHOW EXAMPLES QUOTED FROM THE BIBLE THAT DIRECTLY ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

The question I posed is: Please explain to us what you mean by "taken into account?"

If all you can do is expect me to "READ IT ALL," you're barking up the wrong tree. It's a very simple question. You are not capable of answering this simple question, because you would end up contradicting yourself, and you fear the wrath of your comic book god.

Excuse me? You asked me what taken into account means. I said you have to read the whole thing (you have to take everything into account). I even expanded on that in my post to Frank. So, what part of that don't you understand?

I don't expect you to do anything. I just answered your question.

Now, who's ranting?

And no, I haven't forgotten that hypocritical post of yours and you have yet to answer me about it.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:13 am
I'm not "ranting," but asking a very simple question which you refuse to answer. Most fictional books written on this planet can be summarized into several paragraphs, but you refuse to do this because you fear the wrath of your comic book/fictional god.

Your fear is understandable. Your projection about other people's "ranting" is only in your dreams. Your attempts to attacking me is a waste of time, because I will continue to ask the simple quesions - as will Frank. It seems you are missing Frank's message to you; you lack logic in your posts for intelligent debate.

You have not answered my question.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:16 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
I'm not "ranting," but asking a very simple question which you refuse to answer. Most fictional books written on this planet can be summarized into several paragraphs, but you refuse to do this because you fear the wrath of your comic book/fictional god.

Your fear is understandable. Your projection about other people's "ranting" is only in your dreams. Your attempts to attacking me is a waste of time, because I will continue to ask the simple quesions - as will Frank. It seems you are missing Frank's message to you; you lack logic in your posts for intelligent debate.

You have not answered my question.

C.I.,

You asked me what it means. I told you what it means. I answered your question.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:17 am
You cannot agree with Frank that your god is disgusting, and that no amount of reading the comic book/bible is going to change that!

That's the bottom line.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:18 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
You cannot agree with Frank that your god is disgusting, and that no amount of reading the comic book/bible is going to change that!

That's the bottom line.


Read my mind.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:21 am
Don't have to read your mind; you're afraid of your comic book god.

If you understand anything about the word "rant," you are the one using caps on this board.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:23 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Don't have to read your mind; you're afraid of your comic book god.

If you understand anything about the word "rant," you are the one using caps on this board.


C.I.,

I am not carrying on this conversation with you. It just ties up the thread and helps no one. I explained before that I use CAPS for emphasis.

You have no problem with someone not using the quote function or the spell check so why do you have a problem with me using caps?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:25 am
On the web, using caps is equivalent to shouting. It's called "ranting."
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:28 am
Frank,

Were you ranting at me? LOL!
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 12:05 pm
I'm pleading the fifth on everything other than what I personally write! Twisted Evil
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 12:10 pm
Frank Apisa Wrote:

Quote:
I'm pleading the fifth on everything other than what I personally write! Twisted Evil


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Pauligirl
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 03:45 pm
neologist wrote:
Pauligirl wrote:
If I had written the bible, the god would be up to my standards. . .
P
The height of arrogance, my dear.

You, whose entire perception of reality is limited by the constructs of space and time would presume to judge God, who created them.

And the pot complains to the potter.


No arrogance intended. My fictional god would be better than the bible's fictional god because he's mine and I made him to my standards, not yours and anybody else's.

I think you pretty much get the god you deserve.
P
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