Evolution? How?

farmerman, I received a gift from my friends in Singapore. They gave me a fossilized shell, and told me it was 20 million years old. If I send you a picture of it, can you give me some info on it?

Can you post the pic. I would like to see it also. (20mya is not that old (for a shell))

Here it is.

Thats an easy one. If the date is correct its a NAUTILID . They are of the phylum called mollusks, class is cephalopods , subclass is Nautiloidea (because there are a number of orders) and the order is Nautilida.
Are your friends certain about the age? if they are then Im including a paper with which you should look into the species descriptions of the MIOCENE PERIOD (faunal stage was called the Burdigalian (around 20. my before present).I cant getany closer on species without a very close observation and I would then compare it to a key description of Miocene nautilids, so youre on your own from there. Some background:
' There were about 5 nautiloidea families and a number of genera in this faunal stage and You need to just compare the suture marks (the little wavy lines along the coiled part of the shell-these are actually like growth rings) then look at the design of the aperture (which is the opening) If the opening is round, its no doubt and Aturia sp?.However , I cant be sure .
Now, if theyre not sure of the age, there was another , more geologically important subclassof cephalopods called AMMONOIDEA, which evolved from a nautilid rootstock back in the Paleozoic. The only difference is that the ammonoid siphuncle(the little jet tubes with which these critters shoot water and move like squids) are on the lateral sides while the nautilids' are on the dorsal side(There is a story that Hinkley got its idea for its Talaria line of jet cruiser boats from the ammonoid--This is probably all bullshit but I love to hear stories about applied paleo) . The ammonoids were all wiped out in the Cretaceous(probably something related to getting their siphuncles all clogged with crap because of the increased silt in the water)However, because theAmmonoids were more widespread we have a very good geologic age correlation using their variations in the sutures of their shells.
Nautiloids have only 2 living species and all livein the South Pacific. The really early nautiloids (Paleozoic forms) were really bizarre, with spines and all. Many paleos believe that these evolutionary trends that happened in a number of species including nautiloids ammonoids, and trilobites, were a defense mechanism to keep a seafood eating fish from creunching down on an animal that was armed like a pincushion. (If you want to see something really bizarre click in a species of trilobite called Terataspis grandii, who says we didnt have aliens on this planet?)
Heres the website, its a pdf so it takes a little longer to open

http://www.cephdev.utmb.edu/refdb/pdf/6960.pdf



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farmerman, I'm not sure of the date, only what my friends told me. Thanks for the information on the fossilized shell. Made a hard copy to keep with the shell.

It looks like a Nautilus.

I have seen a live nautilus in Hawaii at the Honolulu aquarium many years ago, then at the Monterey Bay Aquarium about ten years ago. The fossilized shell looked too small, so I wasn't sure it was the same species.

Maybe it was a baby nautilus. Or maybe a cousin of smaller size.

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Heres an interesting article that was included in Wikepedias links on Landover Baptist. The only thing is that this isnt a joke. Foul Evolutionim!! I curse thee!DINOSAUR HUNT IN AFRICA BY "THEOBILOGIST"

"Intelligence" is a very subjective noun. People will do almost anything to maintain their belief system.

One hardly knows where to begin when such lunacy is treated as reality.

Now this is a laugh.

The caption was;

Man and dinosaur lived together peacefully around 2000 BC. (Illustration by Peggy Miller)

http://objectiveministries.org/creation/dinosaurs.html

We just have to hope they don't bring this lunacy into our schools.

This is even better.

http://objectiveministries.org/creation/projectpterosaur.html

Nice site FM

Actually I wouldn't blame you if you wanted to avoid this. If I was an evolutionist, I wouldn't be too excited about it either. It is rather devastating.

At least the chinese people were living with dragons (though they were the imaginary creatures). :wink:

real life. Whats devestating? Theyre looking in the introns and at areas of stop codons . We know that this is where all the 'action" takes place. Also the FOX2 gene is at the end of a chromosome in humans like it just was flipped over from an STR sequence. Its responsible for speech so the new hypothesis seems to state.
AS they unravel the "bar code" of evolution , weve seen that the additions to the human DNA sequence has been an accumulation of genetic changes that are reflected in the time thats passed since post common ancestral bifurcation.
I, for one, find it fascinating. You, I think , are just ignorant of its significance. MAybe you should ask Dr PAley what he thinks.

You know, you can read all about this stuff in EVOLUTION, Its usually in any University library magazine section.

xingu and rosborne. I was laughin my ass off at this Dr Paley. He must have a vast untapped source of moron money that will finance **** studies and expeditions like this. Did you see the last photgraph , the "evidence"? Is that an elephant trotter or what?
How and hell can somebody go forth on an expedition like that one and not start worrying whether hes conned people out of money?
I hope that no old ladies spent their retirement cash funding this hustler

He carries an interesting last name from evolutionary (or Creationist)history

Also, I like the TRex and the guy petting it. Notice that Peggy's cartoon has T rex with teeth like a horse.