Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 04:07 am
MJ said:
Quote:

third parties have never been viable. All they ever do is siphon off votes fromone major party or the other, never with anywhere near enough votes themselves to have any chance of winning.

Yep, just keep voting for what you don’t really want, in favor of something less, and you will surely get it.
snood
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 05:02 am
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:

MJ said:
Quote:

third parties have never been viable. All they ever do is siphon off votes fromone major party or the other, never with anywhere near enough votes themselves to have any chance of winning.

Yep, just keep voting for what you don’t really want, in favor of something less, and you will surely get it.


Yup, just keep voting for everything you want and getting nothing, instead of voting for and getting some of what you want.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 05:59 am
@Sturgis,
Quote:
I voted for George W. Bush (both times)

Nothing to be proud about. Bush was worse than Trump, morally speaking. He killed hundreds of thousands in a war of choice. Evidently he was far more stupid than Trump, too.
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 07:05 am
@snood,
For a third party to be viable in the US, they are doing to have to start at the local level, not the national level. Grabbing a disgruntled figure from one of the major parties and slapping a third party label on them is never going to result in a sustained change to the system.
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 07:11 am
@Olivier5,
I voted for Bush the first time, against him after he started the Iraq War. While I don't think that there is any argument that Bush is the architect of the US fall from preeminence in the world and he is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths, I don't think he compares to Trump for moral corruption as strange as that sounds.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 07:30 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
For a third party to be viable in the US, they are doing to have to start at the local level, not the national level.


The Democratic Party was, at least nominally, a third party when Jackson used organization at the local level to build the base that elected him in 1828. The Republicans were a third party which lost the 1856 election, but won in 1860 in a four-way race, because they had taken over municipalities and state legislatures in 1858. (The Republicans were actually a third party, because Lincoln's brilliant debate strategy against Stephen Douglas in Illinois in 1858 split the Democratic Party in the 1860 election. John Breckenridge, the Vice President, could be said to have run as the first "Dixiecrat." Although he came third in the popular vote, he got a "solid South" in the Electoral College, allowing Lincoln to win as a minority president.) Not only is Engineer absolutely right about this, the historical record proves it.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 08:21 am
It could be argued that Trump was a third party.
I’d suggest the 'Loose Canon' party name for him.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 08:37 am
@engineer,
Why yeah, he was an idiot so you have to forgive him, but his master (Cheney) was more sinister than Trump.

This said, Trump's master (aka Vladimir) is more sinister than Cheney...
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 08:45 am
In 2000, I waggered an ipod (one of the first ever, the big ones, then all the craze and worth $600) on a bet that the Americans were not stupid enough to elect W.

This was my last election bet ever.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 08:50 am
Well, well, well . . . the whiner about "thumb monkeys" shows up, and posts get voted down.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 08:53 am
Hey Honey Bunny! I voted you up.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 09:19 am
@snood,
Quote:
Yup, just keep voting for everything you want and getting nothing, instead of voting for and getting some of what you want.

At least I got my integrity.
How's your way work'n out for you?

But congrats on the thumbs up on that!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 09:29 am
Anybody who believes in "intelligent design" absent a shred of evidence has no business talking about having integrity.
revelette1
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 09:42 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
Why yeah, he was an idiot so you have to forgive him, but his master (Cheney) was more sinister than Trump.

This said, Trump's master (aka Vladimir) is more sinister than Cheney...


I don't know Oliver, can you imagine a Cheney President in a place like Russia where you get away with being a despot murdering dictator? Or if he was a puppet master in Russia, China, NK...

If someone was into cartoons, Cheney should be displayed as some evil character in a dark undisclosed location pulling the strings on all nations, states, and regions. The man gave me the creeps. Barr and Cheney together would be a world nightmare.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 09:58 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
Anybody who believes in "intelligent design" absent a shred of evidence has no business talking about having integrity.

Neither should those without a shred of integrity, or the ability to argue their case with anything other than insults. You have neither.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 12:39 pm
Here’s another Russian and on Fox News, no less! These Russians are taking over the country. It’s very tricky because an astronomically increasing number of these Russians are pretending to be black. Incredible make up technology.

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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 01:13 pm
You Retweeted

Ice Cube
@icecube
·
May 24
Hold the Black vote hostage until one of’em comes with A Black Agenda that we’re satisfied with. It’s not our job to fix the country’s mess until we fix our mess...#fuckyoupayme
Quote Tweet

AM Joy w/Joy Reid
@amjoyshow
· May 24
.@cthagod: It has to come to a point where we stop putting the burden on black
voters to show up for Democrats, and start putting the burden on Democrats to show up for black voters. #AMJoy
—————————————
Interesting interview with the BlueWave’s most faithful mouthpiece Joy ‘Braided Up for the Cause’ Reid, nodding with a angry C tha God coming in hot from an enraging racist Joe Biden. And, for the win, Ice Cube (like Diddy and Killer Mike and legions more) weighed in, saying: “Stop showing up for the Dem party. Make the Dem party show up for us.”

Precisely why there was a movement waiting on Bernie Sanders.

People are starting to get it.

#VoteGreen
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 01:13 pm
@engineer,
For a third party to work in the US we need run off elections if no candidate gets more tha 51% of the vote.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 02:30 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
For a third party to work in the US we need run off elections if no candidate gets more tha 51% of the vote.

We have run off elections.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 02:51 pm
https://howiehawkins.us/open-letter-to-charlamagne-tha-god/

The Green Party responds to Charlamagne tha God, actually responding to the questions Biden refused to answer. These policies were Bernie’s.
—————————

Dear Charlamagne tha God,

We hope this letter finds you well and in good spirits. We are Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker, the Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates for the Green Party of the US. We watched your interviews with former Vice President Joe Biden and with Joy Reid, and we understand that there are questions that you still want answered around the legalization and decriminalization of marijuana, economic justice for Black people now and beyond the COVID-19 pandemic, and also about reparations for Black people. We have answers to those questions.

With regard to the legalization, decriminalization and legal adult use of marijuana, our campaign knows that it is past time to end the failed War on Drugs. It is past time to repair the communities most ravaged by destructive drug policies, which are overwhelmingly Black and Brown. To this end, we must implement policies concerning marijuana that make reparations for past harm and offer a just way forward. Essential elements of this policy include:
the repeal of criminal laws stemming from marijuana offenses
the removal of marijuana from the Schedule of Controlled Substances Act so that it can be used medically.

Release and expungement the records of people convicted of nonviolent marijuana offenses

Allowing people to grow marijuana without any taxation
Taxing of marijuana like any other commodity without a special marijuana tax
Preventing the liquor, tobacco, pharmaceutical and Big Agricultural industries and corporations like Monsanto from engaging in the marijuana market
Preventing marijuana oligopolies with caps on limits of market share
In order to rectify the abuses perpetrated on especially Black and Brown communities by the unfair application of drug laws, a Truth and Reconciliation Commission must be created to gather information on the damage that has been done and to report on the impact of mass arrests and incarceration for marijuana offenses. This commission will make recommendations on how to repair the damage to these communities after hearing from the people most directly targeted by law enforcement. As a necessary first step in reparations for the harm these communities have sustained, people who were arrested or convicted of marijuana offenses should be given preference to work in legal marijuana commerce.

Revenues generated from marijuana taxes would be used to uplift the communities that have been hit the hardest by the War on Drugs. These funds would not be used for law enforcement, but instead for grants to entrepreneurs of color and aiding businesses and the restoration of impacted communities.
Regarding reparations to African Americans, it is our campaign’s position that ending racial oppression requires both race-specific remedies and also universal economic rights that are guaranteed by the government in a race-conscious way. We must strengthen and enforce antidiscrimination laws in the employment, education, housing, and the political, criminal justice and immigration systems. Affirmative action must be taken to reverse the growing race and class resegregation of housing and schools. We must enact HR 40/S.1083, the Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act to consider appropriate remedies for the impact of slavery and subsequent racial discrimination for living African Americans. We emphasize that we see this bill as a program to study and develop reparations proposals.

We must empower racially oppressed communities to practice self-determination through collective community ownership of public schools, housing, police and businesses. The empowering of racially oppressed communities will keep them from being subject to racism from employers, bankers, landlords, real estate agents, union business agents, lawyers, judges, police, and assorted professional-managerial gatekeepers, including politicians. Empowerment means democratic community control so that the masses of racially oppressed people benefit, not merely a more “representative” professional-managerial class that simply replaces the white professional-managerial class that soaks up the funding in salaries, grants and contracts. Our campaign’s goal is real equality, not “diversity” within the unequal hierarchies of capitalism.

Community control is particularly pressing with respect to policing and the consistently high annual number of police killings of Black and Brown people while overall crime rates have been declining for three decades. Racially-profiled over-policing is the normal practice of many sheriffs and police departments across the nation. It has been that way for centuries. It is a policy with deadly consequences for too many people living in those communities. Those killed by police are disproportionately Black and Brown and low-income. Few police who patrol these communities live in them. They are more of an occupying army than a police force that protects and serves those communities. The Hawkins/Walker Campaign calls for Black community control of the police in their communities. Community control means elected neighborhood review boards with real investigative, personnel, and policy-making powers in their communities and a citywide elected police commission to set citywide police department policies and determine disciplinary sanctions for police misconduct.

We must enact an Economic Bill of Rights for economic security for all in a race-conscious way. Government would guarantee all people the rights of a living-wage job, an income above poverty, decent housing, comprehensive health care, a good education, a secure retirement, and freedom from discrimination. It is important to note that these aims were what the socialist leaders of the Black Freedom Movement- A. Philip Randolph, Bayard Rustin and Dr. Martin Luther King and others- demanded as they moved “from civil rights to human rights”. Under our Green Economy Reconstruction Program, we would build green manufacturing, organic agriculture and rural reconstruction, an interstate high-speed internet system, infrastructure reconstruction, a new Civilian Conservation Corps, zero-waste recycling, peace conversion and an interstate renewable energy system to get people to work rebuilding and restoring this country’s vital infrastructure and damaged ecosystems. Much of the federal funding for this economic reconstruction would go directly to local communities, particularly communities of color, so that governors or mayors cannot corruptly divert funding to political donors and cronies at the expense of the most distressed communities.

It is very important to us that Black and Brown people are aware that there are viable options outside of the Democrat/Republican duopoly and that we are offering solutions to the conditions oppressed people endure in this country. We feel that for far too long, the Democratic Party in particular has taken the support of Black and Brown people for granted without offering anything substantial to these communities. It is time we raise our expectations and demand more. The Green Party is positioning itself to be a welcoming and thriving space for people of color who want to advance human dignity and the health of the planet we all call home. We would be happy to discuss this with you at length, and answer any additional questions you may have. And we’d like you to know that the Vice Presidential candidate for our campaign is indeed a Black woman.

With warmest regards,
Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker
Candidates for President and Vice President,
Green Party of the United States
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