Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 05:23 pm
Barack Obama
@BarackObama
· 2h
No one should be forced to choose between their right to vote and their right to stay healthy like the debacle in Wisconsin this week.
Lash
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 05:33 pm
@Brand X,
Brand X wrote:

Barack Obama
@BarackObama
· 2h
No one should be forced to choose between their right to vote and their right to stay healthy like the debacle in Wisconsin this week.

That was conveniently late. No wonder he couldn’t endorse Biden. Didn’t want to be blamed for the debacle later.
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layman
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 05:38 pm
@layman,
The Trump campaign has already booked Tara Reade for a front row seat at their first debate, ya know?

And every other debate thereafter, of course.

Ya can run, Joey-boy, but ya can't hide.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 05:39 pm
@layman,
when those fakenewscasters open their show hypothesizing that a dem administration would blackball. reporters who asked questions denigrating dem politicians when the trump administration has done exactly that flagrantly for the last three years, it's clear the rest of it will just be horsepucky. Biden has one claim against him, which is bad certainly. However trump has years of credible claims from at least 19 women plus the documented payoff of stormy daniels and he's just waltzed away. He even admitted it on tape. Do Fox or OAN or Sinclair ever bring that up. Hah. 19 to 1. Let's see a little equality here in the dirt department.

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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 05:42 pm
@layman,
So how many oof the 19 women who credibly accused trump will get front row seats next to tara reid. and stormy daniels of course.
layman
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 05:46 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

So how many oof the 19 women who credibly accused trump will get front row seats next to tara reid. and stormy daniels of course.


Well, I hear Joey plans to bring Julie Swethog along, ya know? If he can somehow spring him from jail, he'll bring Avenatti along too.

Did you notice that all of those 19 women quickly scurried back into the woodwork as soon as the election was over, I wonder?
revelette3
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 05:49 pm
For those who trust VOX (I do) there is a theory of why Bernie's campaign failed.

The Sanders campaign and his supporters bet on a theory of class politics that turned out to be wrong.

Quote:
So what happened? Why didn’t the political revolution show up?

This is the sort of thing that political scientists and Democratic activists are going to be examining for years. But there are at least three big conclusions that we can draw that seem relatively well-supported by polling and research.

The first is that the Sanders theory rested in part on a Marx-inflected theory of how people think about politics. A basic premise of Marxist political strategy is that people should behave according to their material self-interest as assessed by Marxists — which is to say, their class interests. Proposing policies like Medicare-for-all, which would plausibly alleviate the suffering of the working class, should be effective at galvanizing working-class voters to turn out for left parties.

But this isn’t really how politics works, at least in the contemporary United States. Political scientists have found that, as a general rule, the specifics of policy positions and campaign rhetoric play little role in mobilizing turnout for a campaign.

No matter how many times Sanders repeated his passionate defense of universal health care, no matter how often his volunteers went door to door arguing for social democratic policies, the content of the policy messages wasn’t going to convince young people and economically disaffected non-voters to show up in the way he needed.

“Most of the field experiments that I’ve seen — the published work in political science, as well as the internal tests within the progressive community — show that talking about policies and issues does not really spur turnout,” says John Sides, a political scientist at Vanderbilt University.

Second, it seems that Sanders and his campaign assumed that his popularity with the white working class in 2016 was about him and his policies — when, in fact, it wasn’t.

The white working-class voters that Sanders won were mostly anti-Clinton voters,” McElwee tells me.

A regression analysis by FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver finds support for this theory. Silver’s data shows that Clinton-skeptical Bernie supporters in 2016 were not progressives who opposed Clinton from the left, but from moderate or conservative Democrats who tended to have right-leaning views on racial issues and were more likely to support repealing Obamacare. These #NeverHillary voters also tended to be rural, lower-class, and white.

For some of these voters, Sanders may have been a protest vote against a woman closely identified with progressive social causes. When the alternative was Joe Biden, a male Democrat with working-class appeal who’s widely perceived as a moderate, they seemed to have preferred him over the Vermont socialist.

Third, the Sanders-socialist theory rested on a misunderstanding of the way identity works in contemporary American politics.

Americans do not primarily vote as a member of an economic class, but rather as a member of a party and identity group (race, religion, etc.). Trump won the overwhelming bulk of Republican voters in the 2016 general election, despite taking heterodox positions on a number of policy issues, simply because he had an R next to his name. His message resonated with working-class whites, but not working-class people of color, because it centered ethnic grievance and conflict.

This created a big problem for Sanders. His refusal to formally become a Democrat — and harsh attacks on the “Democratic establishment” — were much less likely to resonate with voters strongly attached to the Democratic Party. This effect seems to have hurt him badly
.


Food for thought, but I know, Bernie lost because once again the DNC cheated. Rolling Eyes I agreed with the part I bolded, the rest I don't know if quite understand, it didn't really make sense. I would have to read Nate Silver's analysis I think.

(there was more before where I started to cut and paste.)
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 05:53 pm
@Leadfoot,
I know someone who does, it's legal, and he swears by it. He had heavy problems at work because they have a no drugs policy and they wouldn't allow him the legal medical use.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 05:58 pm
@layman,
Trump's usual tactic of bankrupting people who disagree with him by forcing them into endless frivolous and ruinously costly legal battles which he can easily afford and does but which bankrupt people with normal resources, didn't help their continued deserved presence.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 06:17 pm
@Leadfoot,
Personal knowledge is valuable.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 06:21 pm
@Leadfoot,
Quote:
Hey, how come nobody challenged that lie'n bastard layman on that bs about the kids not have'n much of a problem with the covid thing?
I have him on ignore so don't know what claims he makes. But this false and very dangerous claim is making the rounds on the crazier parts of right wing media presently. It's come up even on Fox.
layman
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 06:22 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

Did you notice that all of those 19 women quickly scurried back into the woodwork as soon as the election was over, I wonder?


This skank was the model of psychological stability, eh?



Trump's defense to this claim was irrefutable, eh?



layman
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 06:28 pm
@layman,
Trump has been playing the media for years and they take the bait every time, eh?

He's says: "She wouldn't be my first choice," about one accuser, and they all say that proves he has sexually assaulted his first choice.

He says: "Naw, she aint my type," and they all solemnly pronounce that he abuses women who are his type, ya know?

The chumps, them. They just end up embarrassing themselves.
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layman
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 07:15 pm
Quote:
Some doctors question wisdom of using ventilators on coronavirus patients

As California and other states stockpile ventilators to prepare for a surge of coronavirus patients, a debate is emerging among doctors across the country about whether the breathing machines actually hinder recovery from COVID-19.

A few small studies from around the world have led some doctors to consider the possibility that placing COVID-19 patients on a ventilator hurts more than it helps, and may even increase their chance of dying.

In New York City, 80% of coronavirus patients placed on ventilators have died, the Associated Press reported.


Research is starting to indicate that the Kung Flu is not a pneumonia-like virus at all. It does not cause respiratory disease. It reduces the oxygen in blood cells, they say. Ventilators are treating the "wrong problem."

Well, maybe it aint the wrong problem for quacks, eh? They have families to feed and medicare pays 3 times as much ($39,000) if they put a poor sap on a ventilator.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 07:26 pm
@layman,

Quote:
In New York City, 80% of coronavirus patients placed on ventilators have died, the Associated Press reported.

How soon will it be Trump's fault for sending the ventilators?
layman
 
  -3  
Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 07:39 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:


Quote:
In New York City, 80% of coronavirus patients placed on ventilators have died, the Associated Press reported.

How soon will it be Trump's fault for sending the ventilators?


Well, I spect it won't be until after they stop blaming him for not sending enough, eh?

As we know, all the pundits and Dem politicians are now medical experts.

Ernest Benn wrote:
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies."
layman
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 07:47 pm
@layman,
Quote:
Well, maybe it aint the wrong problem for quacks, eh? They have families to feed and medicare pays 3 times as much ($39,000) if they put a poor sap on a ventilator.


Best of all, it's easy money. If they just use oxygen, they have to monitor the levels closely.

On the other hand, if they just plug him into a machine, they can walk away, come back in a few days, and find him dead.

Then they can send out their final bill immediately, see?
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 07:50 pm
There he goes again with that lying data and facts again.

If I was to come up with a conspiracy theory based on the actual data, I’d guess the conversation among the politicians and their science advisers went something like this:

Science guys - Gentlemen, this is a particularly virulent strain of virus. In fact, we expect the eventual infection rate to reach near 100%. This will cause tens of thousands of earlier than expected deaths, almost exclusively among the elderly and those with underlying respiratory problems. Ventilators for the chronically ill only delays death in most cases.

Politicians: What do we do?

Science guys: The only rational response is to be upfront about the situation and isolate those most susceptible and anyone found to be infected. Further isolation measures will only slow the process slightly, and with significant impact to the economy.

Politicians: Thank you gentlemen, we'll take that under consideration.

<later that day in a smoky back room>: Oh ****! We can’t tell the people that! We need to look strong and ready to lead the country to victory.
And if we play our cards right, we can maybe make points for the next election cycle! This could actually be good news men.
layman
 
  -3  
Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2020 08:09 pm
All the state governors seem to making exorbitant demands, and Trump is trying to comply with them all. For what?

Quote:
Washington’s field hospital to be dismantled before treating a patient

The massive army field hospital that hundreds of troops built inside a Seattle convention center last week will be dismantled before treating a single patient.

Nearly 300 soldiers from Fort Carson, Colo., and Joint Base Lewis-McChord (JBLM) near Tacoma, Wash., built the makeshift facility inside CenturyLink Field Event Center, normally home to the NFL’s Seattle Seahawks and the Seattle Sounders of the MLS, for patients who do not have COVID-19. The facility housed 250 beds, a lab, X-ray machines, surgery facilities and an intensive care unit.

Instead, it will be redeployed to a state facing a more difficult battle against the coronavirus outbreak, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee said Wednesday.

"We requested this resource when we had considerable concerns that our hospitals would be overloaded with Covid-19 cases," Inslee said in a press release.

“These soldiers uprooted their lives to help Washingtonians when we needed them most,” Inslee said. “Since then, it’s become apparent that other states need them more than we do.

The decision comes just days after Washington returned 400 ventilators it received from the federal government so they can be used in New York and other hard-hit states.


Inslee is a greedy, grasping democrat, eh? Figures, sho nuff.
 

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