layman
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 11:29 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Progressivism (from lat. progressio, onis, f.: progress) describes a political philosophy based on the fundamental idea of progress in the fields of ... economic development and organization; it is thus the counter-philosophy to conservatism.


Exactly.

The "organization" behind it all is the communist party.

"Economic development" means eliminating capitalism.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 11:38 am
@layman,
The blocks before your head are your worldview.

The first communist party in the sense of a nationally organised party political organisation was the Bolsheviks under Lenin's leadership in 1918.

layman
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 11:40 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

The first communist party in the sense of a nationally organised party political organisation was the Bolsheviks under Lenin's leadership in 1918.


Yeah, so?
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layman
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 11:46 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Are you trying to make the issue who was "first," again, which is totally irrelevant?

By the way, Marxism preceded any of those Kraut political parties you threw out, in red herring form.

Quote:
Marx's best-known titles are the 1848 pamphlet, The Communist Manifesto, and the three-volume Das Kapital. His political and philosophical thought had enormous influence on subsequent intellectual, economic and political history, and his name has been used as an adjective, a noun and a school of social theory.


Marx himself was a damn Kraut, as I recall.
layman
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 12:01 pm
@layman,
A little biographical info about Marx:

Quote:
Born in Trier, Germany, Marx studied law and philosophy at university.... His father, as a child known as Herschel, was the first in the line to receive a secular education. He became a lawyer with a comfortably Upper middle class income; in addition to his income as an attorney, the family owned a number of Moselle vineyards.


A Kraut from an upper middle class family, eh?

Figures, sho nuff.

Like all commies, he probably hated his father.

layman
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 12:07 pm
@layman,
It is a basic tenet and strict requirement of commieism to be an atheist and to be anti-semitic:

Quote:
Prior to his son's birth, and after the abrogation of Jewish emancipation in the Rhineland, Herschel [Karl's Pappy] abandoned Judaism taking on the German forename Heinrich over the Yiddish Herschel.


Karl Marx wrote:
Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.
layman
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 12:24 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:


Karl Marx wrote:
Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.



Naturally, Marx didn't consider himself to be a "real jew." He did, nonetheless, make a career out of "huckstering."

In his mind, his Pappy was probably a "real jew."
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layman
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 12:38 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
A Kraut from an upper middle class family, eh?

Figures, sho nuff.

Like all commies, he probably hated his father.

Quote:
In October 1835 at the age of 17, Marx travelled to the University of Bonn wishing to study philosophy and literature, but his father insisted on law as a more practical field


"Practical?" Marx didn't care about that. No commie does. They're interested in pie-in-the-sky philosophy/ideology, that's all.

I bet he never forgave his "real jew" father for trying to force him to be practical.
revelette3
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 12:38 pm
I read a piece in the WP about how the Sanders campaign is doing their massive organizers outreach during this Pandemic. Mostly it seems they have adjusted fairly well.

However, reading Sanders's plans for the Coronavirus response, to me, it likens to those pie in the sky get well quick cures we see on youtube. Or worse those late-night televangelist selling "spring water."

Quote:
“The first part of a phone bank conversation now is no longer ‘Who are you supporting?’ It’s ‘How are you doing?’ ” Návar said. “We have an initial check-in. We’ve totally changed the script.”

At most organizing events, he and his colleagues share the screen with a slide show presentation that outlines the key aspects of Sanders’s vision for a coronavirus response plan, which include monthly payments to everyone, 100 percent unemployment insurance for income up to $75,000, free coronavirus health care and testing, and support for small businesses — among others.

Volunteers are encouraged to share those ideas with people they talk to on the phone. The hope is that if someone in need can relate to something Sanders is advocating, they will relate to his broader platform, too.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/organizing-for-sanders-in-new-york-when-the-citys-on-lockdown-and-you-cant-leave-your-apartment/2020/04/02/dc30cf86-6f82-11ea-a3ec-70d7479d83f0_story.html
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 12:42 pm
@layman,
Your usual post of ahistorical nonsense.
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layman
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 12:43 pm
@revelette3,
Quote:
...monthly payments to everyone, 100 percent unemployment insurance for income up to $75,000...


That's our commie-ass Burnie, sho nuff.

Free **** for all, I tells ya! No need to work. Work is for chumps who aint "woke."

Didn't Burnie live with his Mama until he was, like, 38 years old without ever having a real job? He perfected his parasitic life-style long ago.
revelette3
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 12:59 pm
@layman,
It's not commie, you really need to extend your horizons, you are becoming boring.

It is only when there is more of a need to help the first responders and hospitals and all those are working for us during the awful Pandemic, there is only so much money to go around. I would rather it go those people first. I see news reports about EM's having to not treat some heart patients who are critical with no pulse or little to not treat them due to shortages, and I just think a priority should be made where resources should go.
layman
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 01:01 pm
@layman,
https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2016/02/sanders_meme.jpg?w=960
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 01:07 pm
@layman,
Ok layman. I concede. You are even more stupid than CJ and Ollie.
layman
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 01:12 pm
@RABEL222,
Thanks for sharing your opinions. I'm sure they are heartfelt.

Have anything of substance to say?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 01:13 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
"Practical?" Marx didn't care about that. No commie does. They're interested in pie-in-the-sky philosophy/ideology, that's all.

Did you read his PhD-thesis? (Differenz der demokritischen und epikureischen Naturphilosophie ["The Difference Between the Democritean and Epicurean Philosophy of Nature"])

Do you have more ideas than your one-sentence summary? (Democritus, Epicurus, Hegel - pie-in-the-sky philosophy/ideology???)

layman wrote:
I bet he never forgave his "real jew" father for trying to force him to be practical.
Heinrich Marx ("Heschel Marx Levi")was a passionate Prussian patriot and monarchist who educated his family as liberal Lutherans.
layman
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 01:18 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Do you have more ideas than your one-sentence summary? (Hegel, Plato - pie-in-the-sky philosophy/ideology???)


Sure, read my other posts about Marx. What more do you want, Walt?
layman
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 01:22 pm
@layman,
Marx later seeming convinced himself that he was "realisitic" and eschewed philosophical "idealism."

But everything he wrote was Hegalian-type bullshit. All based on speculative theory which he claimed was "the truth."

As I've pointed out before, when Hegel was challenged by a student who said the facts contradicted his theory, Hegel said: "Well, then, so much the worse for the facts."

Any Marxist adopts the same attitude, including Marx himself.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 01:28 pm
@layman,
Well, it's decades ago that I had to do it in philosophy at grammar school, so I only remember that there was a Hegelian and therefore Platonic influence.
And I just passed the philosophy exam. (Our philosophy teacher thought that the agreement - I would not disturb his lessons, he not play me playing battleship with my neighbour - was a one-sided agreement.)
layman
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2020 01:35 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, it's decades ago that I had to do it in philosophy at grammar school, so I only remember that there was a Hegelian and therefore Platonic influence.
And I just [barely] passed the philosophy exam.


I see. So why do you make a pretense of asking a question like this, I wonder?

Quote:
Did you read his PhD-thesis? (Differenz der demokritischen und epikureischen Naturphilosophie ["The Difference Between the Democritean and Epicurean Philosophy of Nature."]


Have you read it?
 

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