RABEL222
 
  1  
Reply Wed 12 Feb, 2020 02:56 pm
If you don't join me as one of the most stupid people on able 2 know according to George i am going to file a discrimination against him.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Wed 12 Feb, 2020 05:00 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Quote:
I love getting even when I get screwed by someone. ... Always get even. When you are in business you need to get even with people who screw you. You need to screw them back 15 times harder. You do it not only to get the person who messed with you but also to show the others who are watching what will happen to them if they mess with you. If someone attacks you, do not hesitate. Go for the jugular.
Donald Trump, "Think Big" published 2009.

In terms of a leadership ethos, this is unarguably far closer to a Mafia boss or Genghis Khan or Stalin than to any prior American president.

So I guess it was a big mistake for Mr. Obama to taunt Mr. Trump during the correspondents dinner?

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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 12 Feb, 2020 05:03 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
@realDonaldTrump wrote:
Congratulations to Attorney General Bill Barr for taking charge of a case that was totally out of control and perhaps should not have even been brought. Evidence now clearly shows that the Mueller Scam was improperly brought & tainted. Even Bob Mueller lied to Congress!

This constitutes an explicit admission that Barr has inserted himself into the Stone case to reduce the recommended sentence (which was established by sentencing guidelines for the acts Stone was found guilty of).

If you weren't previously convinced that Barr's corruption of the DOJ in aid of his corrupt boss was readily apparent, you better get to that conclusion now.

That's pretty goofy even by your low standards.

It's not corruption for the President to give orders to the people who work for him. That's the way government is supposed to work.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 12 Feb, 2020 05:04 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
And not just Vindman. His twin brother too who is strongly guilty of being Vindman's twin.
Yes. There will be many more purges and with them, substantial institutional memory and knowledge lost.

Good riddance to bad deep-staters.


blatham wrote:
As regards the military and the Pentagon, aside from Trump's constant pimping of them for photo ops, he does not miss any opportunity to **** all over them when they stand up for what they believe or know if those beliefs and knowledge do not correspond with Trump's need to be seen as dictator in charge.

The President is in charge of the executive branch.

If you can't cope with that, don't go to work for the executive branch.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 12 Feb, 2020 05:06 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
There is no prior President I know of who has **** all over the military like Trump has done,

No memory when you go too far North?

Quote:
U.S. General: Obama’s Military Purge is ‘Criminal And Treasonous’

http://www.truthandaction.org/u-s-general-obamas-military-purge-criminal-treasonous/
Quote:
Obama's Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/197-military-officers-purged-by-obama/

I should add bringing a traitor (Bergdhal) home and having your security chief say he "served honorably" was shitting on the military.
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Olivier5
 
  3  
Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2020 07:02 am
Quote:
Troy Price, chair of the Iowa Democratic Party, submitted his resignation letter on Wednesday, following the backlash that ensued when results of the Iowa caucuses were delayed last week due to "coding issues" with the state's new reporting app.

Following the confusion of the caucuses, Price said he was taking full responsibility.

"The fact is that Democrats deserved better than what happened on caucus night. As chair of this party, I am deeply sorry for what happened and bear the responsibility for any failures on behalf of the Iowa Democratic Party," Price said in his resignation letter.

He added, "While it is my desire to stay in this role and see this process through to completion, I do believe it is time for the Iowa Democratic Party to begin looking forward, and my presence in my current role makes that more difficult."

Elected as chair in 2017, Price was the first openly gay chair of a major Iowa political party and was named one of the Des Moines Register's "50 Most-Wanted Democrats" last year. This was the first presidential caucus Price ran as chair, but he isn't new to Iowa politics; he was former President Barack Obama's Iowa political director in 2012 and a senior adviser on Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign.

https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiamh0dHBzOi8vYWJjbmV3cy5nby5jb20vUG9saXRpY3MvaW93YS1kZW1vY3JhdGljLXBhcnR5LWNoYWlybWFuLXJlc2lnbnMtd2FrZS1jYXVjdXMtY2hhb3Mvc3Rvcnk_aWQ9Njg5NDgwMDbSAW5odHRwczovL2FiY25ld3MuZ28uY29tL2FtcC9Qb2xpdGljcy9pb3dhLWRlbW9jcmF0aWMtcGFydHktY2hhaXJtYW4tcmVzaWducy13YWtlLWNhdWN1cy1jaGFvcy9zdG9yeT9pZD02ODk0ODAwNg
Brand X
 
  0  
Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2020 07:06 am
@Olivier5,
Zero oversight, it's all about doing favors.
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revelette3
 
  2  
Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2020 07:22 am
@Olivier5,
Nice to see at least someone taking responsibility for something happening on their watch for a change.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2020 07:29 am
@revelette3,
Yes, he did the right thing at last.

Pundits this side of the pond say the dems screw up in Iowa raised Trump's reelection chances significantly.
Brand X
 
  0  
Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2020 07:40 am
@Olivier5,
He resigned due to pressure mounting because he had Buttigieg connections. There were already people inside the Iowa process worried about the appearance of impropriety before it blew up.
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revelette3
 
  2  
Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2020 07:42 am
@Olivier5,
Everybody has predictions. Shrugs.

Trump has a good chance of being re-elected because we seem to have stupid people in significant areas in this time in our country. Hence him being elected in the first place despite Hillary having more popular votes. I know ya''ll think Sanders has some kind of magic bean, but he had no more of a chance than Hillary did in 2016. I don't think he'll get the democrat vote to find out, nor will Buttigieg. But like I said, everybody has predictions.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2020 07:55 am
@revelette3,
It's undeniable that the 'optics' of the Iowa debacle are atrocious. The whole thing looks awfully easy to interpret as voter manipulation, and made the dems look incompetent at best. That's why Price had reasons to resign.
revelette3
 
  2  
Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2020 08:26 am
@Olivier5,
I am not sure what you mean by voter manipulation. Moderate democrats usually do better than leftist progressive democrats in rural areas. The same is true in the general election. Bernie did well in Iowa in predictably urban areas in Iowa. As others said, Iowa counts their votes like in the general election with electoral college votes, which count some urban areas with more votes than some more urban areas. (pretty sure I got that right) Sander supporters are always crying foul when they lose. The problem with democrats is that in the electoral college vote, we have to fight the republican in those areas with republicans which lean more right than left for the most part.
hightor
 
  3  
Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2020 08:39 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
It's undeniable that the 'optics' of the Iowa debacle are atrocious.

It was hardly the "debacle" people make it out to be.
Quote:
The whole thing looks awfully easy to interpret as voter manipulation...

How were any voters "manipulated"? They cast their votes, voters whose candidates didn't receive a large enough number were able to vote for the remaining candidates. All the voting was done in the open. No one knew what the total votes for each candidate statewide would be; they were casting votes within their particular precinct.
Quote:
...and made the dems look incompetent at best.

I agree there, but it didn't make anyone look incompetent who wasn't part of the state committee which made the decision to use the phone application and didn't instruct the caucus chairmen to sufficiently familiarize themselves with the new technology.
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2020 08:43 am
@revelette3,
In today's context, any confusion in vote tallies may give rize to suspicion, and can be used to engineer such suspicion. Why do you think Price resigned for: a non-consequential, trivial, neglectable mistake, or a potentially embarassing and damaging screw-up?
georgeob1
 
  0  
Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2020 10:24 am
@Olivier5,
Vote manipulation is a possibility, but in my view an exceedingly unlikely one. It would be very difficult to conceal, and the consequences for detection would be instantly fatal for the candidates involved. It does appear that, in an effort to get and publish more new detail about Iowa voter's initial and subsequent choices during the caucuses, the State Democrat Party organization developed some new counting procedures to gather that data at each stage as voters moved from their initial to their final choices during the election meetings, together with some software to quickly manage and publish the unfolding results in a dramatic way in this the time-honored first state primary election.

It appears something went wrong in both the interim data collection and subsequent automated processing. Very likely overreliance on untested software, together with poor backups in some areas set the stage for the debacle. The process involved was the creation of the State Party organization, and the State Chairman's resignation was a predictable result.
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2020 11:04 am
Quote:
Americans are running out of time to stop President Donald Trump's authoritarian slide, experts warned.

"There need to be mass protests," a Yale philosophy professor and expert on fascism told Insider. "The Republican Party is betraying democracy, and these are historical times. Someone has got to push back."

...If Americans are concerned that President Donald Trump and Republicans are moving the US toward becoming a one-party, authoritarian state, they are running out of time to stop them, experts warned.

Trump has exhibited autocratic impulses since his 2016 campaign and from the moment he entered the White House.

The president has attacked virtually every democratic institution in the US when he's felt its actions were unfavorable to his agenda or public appearance. Meanwhile, he pushed traditional US allies away while openly embracing many of the world's most repressive leaders.

These trends have raised concern among top experts on authoritarianism, fascism, and democracy, but they've often said that the robust political system in the US, with its checks and balances and constitutional norms, has prevented Trump from becoming a full-blown authoritarian and doing whatever he wants.

Since Trump was acquitted in the Senate earlier this month after being impeached in the House over his dealings with Ukraine, there's been a White House purge of impeachment witnesses, and Attorney General William Barr has intervened in the trial of a close associate of the president, Roger Stone. And the experts' tone has changed dramatically.

"The system is enabling Trump," Jason Stanley, a Yale philosophy professor who wrote "How Fascism Works," told Insider.

"There need to be mass protests," he said. "The Republican Party is betraying democracy, and these are historical times. Someone has got to push back.

"The deeply worrying moment is when you start to become a one-party state," Stanley added. "The Republican Party has shown that it has no interest in multi-party democracy ... They are much more concerned with power, with consolidating power."
Business Insider


Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2020 11:06 am
@georgeob1,
I'm not saying vote manipulation did happen -- sheer incompetence seems likelier -- but that there was so much confusion that a nefarious actor could exploit appearance of impropriety in the Iowa caucus to undermine trust in the process.

IOW, it opened the flank of the Dems to the criticism that the 'party apparatus' is trying to suppress Bernie's voters.
blatham
 
  3  
Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2020 11:28 am
As Trump politicizes prosecutions, Justice Dept feels chilling effect

If prosecutors pursue a case Trump dislikes, will their work be rejected? Will their careers be derailed? These questions shouldn't exist, but they do.

The Justice Department was jolted this week after Donald Trump intervened -- again -- in ongoing criminal proceedings, hitting a domino that culminated in four federal prosecutors resigning. It's a landmark moment for a Republican presidency that seems determined, not just to politicize prosecutions, but to bend the Justice Department to Trump's will.

The New York Times has a striking report on the developments and the degree to which Trump's actions defy American norms -- especially in the post-Watergate era -- and represent "ground-shaking conduct" that has demolished "once-sacrosanct guardrails." But of particular interest was the reporting on the chilling effect taking root at the DOJ. The Times spoke with more than a dozen career lawyers in U.S. attorney's offices, and found prosecutors who "raised new fears of what is to come" and "worried they might face more pressure."...Benen
blatham
 
  3  
Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2020 12:11 pm
Trump is now expanding his attacks on the prosecutors' who set Stone sentencing recommendations (based one existing sentencing guidelines) and is going after the sitting judge in the case and the fore person on the jury TPM

This is, of course, an attempt to support a key ally and to discredit/punish anyone in the judicial sphere who reaches a finding which Trump does not like. It is a clear case of obstruction of justice.

Stone was found guilty by the jury on seven counts - five counts of lying to Congress, one count of witness tampering and one count of obstructing justice (the final remaining case stemming from the Mueller investigation).

And Roger Stone is one of the most perverse and corrupt individuals in the right wing universe. He is a perfect example of not only the sort of person who Trump would naturally associate himself with, he's been a figure used by and operating within the GOP for a very long time.
Quote:
Since the 1970s, Stone worked on the campaigns of Republican politicians Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Jack Kemp, Bob Dole,[5] and Donald Trump. In addition to frequently serving as a campaign adviser, Stone was previously a political lobbyist. In 1980, he co-founded a Washington, D.C.-based lobbying firm with Paul Manafort and Charles R. Black Jr.[6][7][8] The firm recruited Peter G. Kelly and was renamed Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly in 1984.[9]:124 During the 1980s, BMSK became a top lobbying firm by leveraging its White House connections to attract high-paying clients including U.S. corporations, trade associations, as well as foreign governments. By 1990, it was one of the leading lobbyists for American companies and foreign organizations.[9]:125

Stone has been variously described as a "self-proclaimed dirty trickster",[10] a "renowned infighter", a "seasoned practitioner of hard-edged politics", a "mendacious windbag", a "veteran Republican strategist",[11] and a political fixer.[12] Over the course of the 2016 Trump presidential campaign, Stone promoted a number of falsehoods and conspiracy theories.[13] He has described his political modus operandi as "Attack, attack, attack – never defend" and "Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack."[14] Stone first suggested Trump run for President in early 1998 while Stone was Trump's casino business lobbyist in Washington.[15] The Netflix documentary film Get Me Roger Stone focuses on Stone's past and his role in Trump's presidential campaign.[16]
He has been involved through most of his adult life in the "swinging lifestyle" (wife swapping, group sex, etc) which is his choice of course but which won't prevent the religious right from throwing their support to him.

The quote above is from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Stone If you want to get familiar with this scumbag, do take the time to read up on him.


 

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