coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 09:13 am
@blatham,
Quote:
Rage? Good grief, george.

One of those two had a good reason, and it was not Pelosi. Fail.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 09:16 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Pelosi's recently expressed rage
Rage? Good grief, george.


You chose your photographs carefully to make your point. However they don't accurately reflect the spectacle we all saw on the SOU event.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 09:20 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
However they don't accurately reflect the spectacle we all saw on the SOU event.

That is the proof of how stupid and dishonest people that listen to him really are.
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blatham
 
  2  
Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 09:29 am
@georgeob1,
They don't? And how is that exactly? You used the term "rage". That is an emotion and it is marked by physical indicators. Those indicators are manifestly absent in the first and manifestly present in the second.

So who told you that Pelosi was demonstrating rage? And why might it be that you did not see fit to use the term with Graham or with Kavanaugh during his hearing?
georgeob1
 
  1  
Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 09:34 am
@blatham,
I believe I did note Judge Kavanaugh's rage during the Judiciary Committee Hearings as the largely manufactured "evidence" of his poorly remembered past supposed bad behavior were unfolding in his hearings.

beyond that rage or extreme anger isn't particularly hard to detect.

There are many examples of such rage out there on which I have made no comment at all. However what the hell does that have to do with the matter before us.
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 09:37 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Indeed In the wake of a now thoroughly discredited and fruitless Mueller investigation...

Why do you (and other conservatives) keep asserting that the Mueller investigation was "thoroughly discredited" — you were all happy to declare that it found no evidence of a criminal conspiracy on the part of the Trump campaign. Are you suggesting that we shouldn't believe this?

Quote:
However they don't accurately reflect the spectacle we all saw on the SOU event.

Honestly, georgeob1, I didn't see "rage". It looked like simple "disgust" to me.
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blatham
 
  2  
Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 09:41 am
Quote:
House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) seemingly referred to the impeachment battle in brief remarks at the National Prayer Breakfast on Thursday.

“The Lord works in amazing ways. I do not believe he could’ve picked a better day to bring us all together,” McCarthy said, speaking at an event where others seated on the dais included Trump and Pelosi.
WP

Kevin McCarthy is in many ways a very, very stupid individual. But he's not stupid enough to imagine that Trump is a believer, or even minimally knowledgeable of the bible or Christian theology (or any theology), or that Trump has any allegiance to Christian morality whatsoever. But he will pretend it so. Because ends justify means.

Whatever justifiable claim Republicans/conservatives have had in the past to make criticism of moral relativism (which was always the thinnest of arguments in any case) they have now lost any credibility in wielding this as a criticism of anyone else. They are now the epitome of the thing.

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Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 09:43 am
@georgeob1,
Could you crank down your own rage level, George? Take it easy, will you? Pelosi didn't pee in your lunchbox.
blatham
 
  2  
Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 09:46 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
However what the hell does that have to do with the matter before us.

I am encouraging you to better comprehend how your thinking (in this case, evidenced by your use of "rage" to describe Pelosi) is not self-generated. You got that from somewhere/someone. It is inaccurate. But it has value as a messaging strategy meant to portray Pelosi in a very particular way. You just bought it. You do this a LOT.
blatham
 
  2  
Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 09:54 am
I think we all understand the normal conventions of prayer. Humility, selflessness, forgiveness, and the sincere wishes that goodness will befall others.
Quote:
Trump lashes out at prayer breakfast, calling Democrats ‘corrupt people’ who have ‘badly hurt our nation’

*****************

Trump displays banner headlines on his acquittal at National Prayer Breakfast

Trump held up copies of USA Today and The Washington Post, displaying banner headlines on his acquittal by the Senate, shortly after arriving on the dais at the National Prayer Breakfast at the Washington Hilton on Thursday morning.
WP
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 09:55 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
your thinking (in this case, evidenced by your use of "rage" to describe Pelosi) is not self-generated. You got that from somewhere/someone.

YOU of all people have the audacity to make such an accusation!?

Shocked Laughing Laughing Laughing
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hightor
 
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Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 09:55 am
Thank You, Iowa

You’ve definitively shown us why you shouldn’t be first on the political calendar, and so much more.

Quote:
As Iowa Democrats struggle to tally votes and claw their way out of the rubble of Monday’s caucus crackup, there continues to be angst and outrage about the damage the Hawkeye State has inflicted on the democratic process — and the Democratic process. Terms like “catastrophe,” “debacle,” “fiasco” and “disaster” are being tossed about like salad greens.

That’s one way to look at the situation. Another way is that Iowa has done the Democratic Party — the nation, even — a tremendous service. Yes, the reporting of votes was a perfect storm of incompetence. And the muddled outcome failed to give any of the candidates the electoral tailwind about which they’d been fantasizing. But, delayed and deflated though they were, the results provided more clarity than anyone is giving them credit for — in some regards more than if the voting had gone off as planned. Among the valuable takeaways:

1. There is not yet a fresh burst of voter participation. At last count, turnout in Iowa was on track to hit 2016 levels — in the neighborhood of 170,000 caucus goers — a far cry from the Obama-inspired groundswell of 2008, for which about 240,000 Iowans showed up. This should give particular pause to anyone betting on Bernie Sanders’ argument that he will win by creating a new movement, fueled by people who normally don’t vote. But it should also be a warning for anyone counting on anti-Trump fervor to mobilize the masses. Clearly, the masses still need some convincing. Iowa deserves credit for revealing that sooner rather than later.

2. Even moderate Democrats have real concerns about Joe Biden’s ability to go the distance. The former vice president has many fine qualities. His resume is gold-plated, particularly in the crucial area of foreign policy. He’s got his regular-Joe patter down, he adores retail politics and arguably nobody feels voters’ pain better than him. Mr. Biden should have the so-called moderate lane of this race locked down. But he doesn’t. And whatever the precise vote tally, his lagging behind not just the field’s hard-charging progressives, Mr. Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, but also Pete Buttigieg, the 38-year-old former mayor of South Bend, Ind., is a sign that he needs to up his game.

3. The Democrats’ nominating process needs to more accurately reflect its electorate. As is often noted, Iowa is way too white to have so much influence. So is New Hampshire, for that matter. As a party with a diverse electorate, the Democrats should not be spending so much time and money catering to such a monochromatic subset. The current debate over how much weight to give the Iowa weakness of Mr. Biden, who has held a comfortable lead among minority voters for this entire race, should not be happening. It is unproductive.

4. Caucuses should go the way of the eight-track tape. Their convoluted, undemocratic nature has been pointed out again and again. They jettison the principle of the private ballot. They are overly complicated and make participation too onerous for too many. In 2016, less than 16 percent of voting-eligible Iowans took part. This compared with a 52 percent participation rate in the New Hampshire primary.

In 2018, the Democratic National Committee adopted new rules urging states to switch from caucuses to primaries and calling on those that stuck with caucuses to increase accessibility. After the 2016 kerfuffle in which Hillary Clinton’s razor-thin win left Mr. Sanders’ supporters complaining about a lack of transparency, Iowa, in a panicked effort to save the process, vowed to make it more transparent by reporting out more of the raw data. It also sought to make the process more accessible by establishing online caucuses. The latter plan fell apart over security concerns. (They wound up adding “satellite sites” instead.) The additional reporting requirements … well, we’re seeing the unintended consequences of those now. Observers have spent this week critiquing the intelligence, tech savvy and even the advanced age of the legions of campaign volunteers trying to navigate the new app that was supposed to make the reporting process easier but wound up destroying it. But the core problem is the process itself. Don’t hate the player; hate the game. And keep in mind that Iowa is not the only state still relying on caucuses. (Looking at you, Nevada.)

5. There is a strong argument to be made that no single state deserves to hold the rest of the electorate hostage the way Iowa has for decades. Why should the parochial concerns of Iowans be forever more important than those of Arizonans or North Carolinians or Michiganders? Multiple alternative ways to set the calendar have been floated, and it’s past time to give them serious consideration. They could hardly be worse than the current system. If this year’s meltdown doesn’t spur Democrats to take long overdue action, they deserve all their future nightmares.

So, thank you, Iowa. This may be the most you have taught the electorate in a long while. Now take your bows, and step aside.

nyt/cottle
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 09:56 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
Pelosi didn't pee in your lunchbox.

No, but she is shitting on the citizens of this country by wasting time and money.
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 10:03 am
@hightor,
I see no problem with caucuses, or with caucuses being held before any primaries.

New Hampshire is a different issue. They should not be allowed to vote at all after what they did to Michigan in 2008.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 10:04 am
@coldjoint,
She shitted on you? Poor, poor Pinky. Shall we call you "Browny" from now on?
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blatham
 
  2  
Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 10:05 am
@hightor,
The mainstream press is NOT ready for this election. They've learned a bit. They can use the word "liar" now, though the NYT hasn't really absorbed the lessons they should have learned.

If that wasn't clear before, this last week proved how poorly prepared they are. Even while the impeachment process was ongoing with all of the critical importance of it and what it revealed, the press jumped on the shallowest of news stories - the Idaho caucus.

I have no confidence the US is going to pull out of this slide towards a failed state turned profoundly authoritarian.
hightor
 
  2  
Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 10:08 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
I see no problem with caucuses....

Have you participated in any presidential caucuses? How many?
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 10:12 am
@hightor,
I've never participated in any at all.

But I think they sound fun, and I wish that I could do so.
georgeob1
 
  1  
Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 10:15 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
However what the hell does that have to do with the matter before us.

I am encouraging you to better comprehend how your thinking (in this case, evidenced by your use of "rage" to describe Pelosi) is not self-generated. You got that from somewhere/someone. It is inaccurate. But it has value as a messaging strategy meant to portray Pelosi in a very particular way. You just bought it. You do this a LOT.


You are incorrect in both the specifics here and in your utterly unsupported generalization. Projection and imagination appear to be your principal tools.

In the matter at hand I cannot ever recall reading or hearing the word "rage"in describing Nancy Pelosi's recent actions or attitudes. My use of it arose exclusively out of my own impressions watching her in the last minutes of Trump's presentation before the House. Frankly it was very hard to miss.
hightor
 
  3  
Reply Thu 6 Feb, 2020 10:21 am
So, anyone who's paid minimal attention to my posts would know that I've been a critic of the current primary system for a long time. I've even suggested alternative methods of arriving at candidates. Well, I found this summary of different methods which might to employed.

No Way To Pick A President? Here Are 6 Other Ways To Do It

Unfortunately, none of them are appreciably better, according to the author. My preferred method, sortition, wasn't covered — understandably, since it would require a constitutional amendment.

 

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