Lash
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2020 08:30 pm
@snood,
Democrats will not be able to elect DINOs.
There is *one* Conservative party—Democrats will lose until they back a legitimate liberal.

If we’re stuck with a duopoly, one *will be* liberal.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2020 08:33 pm
@Lash,
I disagree with your analysis. I think the Democrats will lose until they back a legitimate moderate.
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2020 09:05 pm
@oralloy,
You can find plenty of moderates in the Republican Party.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2020 01:49 am
@hightor,
I'm not against increments as tools among other tools. I'm against treating one political tool as a pinacle of good governance. Incrementalists are like plumbers who would have fallen in love with their wrench, and prefering the wrench to another tool for some reason.

In this case, I'm not proposing an incremental approach to M4A; what I am saying is that monopolies are to be avoided. Thus the optimal state of affairs IMO is NOT a medicare monopoly over health insurance, but a public insurer competing with private ones and breaking their price fixing. And one could move there with one single reform: introduce the public option.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2020 01:53 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

You can find plenty of moderates in the Republican Party.

Your type?
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2020 02:14 am
@Olivier5,
Nothing but a lame ass ad hom. Why do you pretend to be French?
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2020 02:33 am
Yang releases his supporters to Bernie.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/andrew-yang-expects-many-his-supporters-back-sanders-iowa-we-have-lot-overlap-1484774%3famp=1
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2020 03:44 am
@Lash,
Actually it was am question, which you wisely avoided.

Quote:
Why do you pretend to be French?

Because the French are the best of the best, ma chère, la crème de la crème... :-)
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2020 06:02 am
https://pitchfork.com/news/the-strokes-are-playing-a-bernie-sanders-rally/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

The Strokes Are Playing a Bernie Sanders Rally

“We are honored to be associated with such a dedicated, diligent, & trustworthy patriot—and fellow native New Yorker!”—Julian Casablancas



BY: EVAN MINSKER JAN 29 2020
ROCK
The Strokes are going to join Bernie Sanders at a rally for his presidential campaign. The Get Out the Vote Concert Rally takes place on February 10 at the Whittemore Center Arena in Durham, New Hampshire. Find the very good Kii Arens-designed poster for the rally below.

“We are honored to be associated with such a dedicated, diligent, & trustworthy patriot—and fellow native New Yorker,” said Julian Casablancas in a statement. “As the only truly non-corporate candidate, Bernie Sanders represents our only chance to overthrow corporate power and help return America to democracy. This is why we support him.”

Bon Iver will appear with Sanders on January 31 at the Horizon Events Center in Clive, Iowa. Vampire Weekend will do an acoustic set at a Sanders rally in Cedar Rapids, Iowa on February 1.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2020 06:33 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
No relevance that no one has actually seen the manuscript that they are discussing?
If you read my post again, I said this has no relevance to the veracity of the reporting on content.

If you're suggesting the reporting might be wrong, sure. That's possible. But there's no good reason to imagine it is, particularly given the WH's reaction to the reporting. But in any case, we'll find out very soon whether the manuscript is as reported. Unless Trump is somehow successful in suppressing this information.
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revelette3
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2020 08:45 am
@Lash,
You know your post would be a lot better received if you didn't feel the need to be so insulting to those who have a different view than you do. You can make your points without insulting everyone else who disagrees with you. You can point out the errors of others without being so mean and insulting. Try it sometime.

You claimed a lot of the same as you what you are claiming now in 2016. There are ways to fix our current health care without scrapping everything.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2020 09:17 am
Document shows Bernie Sanders’s team preparing dozens of potential executive orders
Quote:
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is considering dozens of executive orders he could unilaterally enact on a wide range of domestic policy issues if elected president, including immigration, the environment and prescription drugs, according to two people familiar with the campaign’s planning and an internal document reviewed by The Washington Post.

Sanders has risen in national and early-state polling in the final days before Monday’s Iowa caucuses, the first contest in the Democratic presidential primary, which has fueled concerns among some party insiders that he could win the nomination.

Aides have presented Sanders with a list of possible executive actions, including more than a dozen options for reversing President Trump’s immigration policy, such as lifting the cap on the number of refugees accepted into the United States and immediately halting border wall construction. Another option is the reinstatement of an Obama-era program that granted legal status to undocumented immigrants brought to America as children.

The document reviewed by The Post shows how the Sanders campaign has already begun extensive planning for how the senator would lead the country in his first days as president if he won the Democratic nomination and defeated Trump in November. Many of the proposals Sanders has floated on the campaign trail do not have support from congressional Republicans and are opposed by some Democrats, so a willingness to move forward without congressional approval could determine whether many of his policies are enacted.

The list of potential executive orders includes unilaterally allowing the United States to import prescription drugs from Canada; directing the Justice Department to legalize marijuana; and declaring climate change a national emergency while banning the exportation of crude oil. Other options cited in the document include canceling federal contracts for firms paying less than $15 an hour and reversing federal rules blocking U.S. funding to organizations that provide abortion counseling.

The campaign’s potential executive orders come amid increased scrutiny about how Sanders, one of the most left-leaning members in Congress, would attempt to advance his agenda. One of Sanders’s top rivals on the campaign trail, former vice president Joe Biden, has talked about working with Republicans in some cases to enact his agenda. Sanders’s approach appears to be different.

The senator is reviewing the list of possible executive orders but has not signed off on when they would be released or their scope, according to the two people with knowledge of the planning, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal matters. Those officials said the document was prepared by Faiz Shakir, Sanders’s campaign manager; Warren Gunnels, a senior adviser; and Josh Orton, the campaign policy director.

“As we continue discussing the early work of your presidency and the progress we can make, below for review is a brief overview of executive actions you could take early in your administration,” the document states. “We cannot accept delays from Congress on some of the most pressing issues, especially those like immigration where Trump has governed with racism and for his own corrupt benefit.”

A Sanders campaign spokesman, Mike Casca, did not challenge the veracity of the document but declined to comment on the potential executive orders.

“We’re focused on organizing a huge voter turnout in Iowa on Monday,” Casca said in a statement.

The unilateral actions considered by Sanders’s campaign are likely to be fiercely opposed by conservatives and even moderate liberals. Sanders could face criticism for moving to take more power away from the legislative branch amid ever-expanding executive authority, although he has been a vocal opponent of giving Congress more power over America’s wars and military interventions. Many Democrats and some Republicans have criticized Trump for the numerous executive orders he signed in the early part of his presidency.

“Every time a president leaves office, they leave office with more power the next president in line can take and expand,” said Jason Pye, vice president of legislative affairs for FreedomWorks, a conservative group. “You’re getting to the point where the legislative branch has lost so much of its power to the point where it almost does not matter. And that should concern every person in this country.”

Sanders has already released a slew of legislative proposals that would have to be approved by Congress, including a “Medicare-for-all” single-payer health-care system and a Green New Deal to remake the nation’s energy system.
... ... ...
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2020 09:23 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The trouble with executive orders is that any subsequent president can retract them. This is how Trump is undoing most of what Obama did when he began using executive orders to circumvent the hostile Republican congress.
revelette3
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2020 09:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,
And he doesn't think the republicans will not take him to Court which is tilted heavily towards the conservatives?
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2020 09:46 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

The trouble with executive orders is that any subsequent president can retract them. This is how Trump is undoing most of what Obama did when he began using executive orders to circumvent the hostile Republican congress.

Still, the guy is getting prepared to realistically and effectively push for some of his reforms. It shows pragmatism and dedication, far from the picture of an utopian and/or dishonest politician that some here are peddling.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2020 10:05 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
The trouble with executive orders is that any subsequent president can retract them. This is how Trump is undoing most of what Obama did when he began using executive orders to circumvent the hostile Republican congress.

The Republican congress wasn't hostile. Obama's extremism just prevented him from building bridges with people who don't agree with him.
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2020 11:34 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
It shows pragmatism and dedication, far from the picture of an utopian and/or dishonest politician that some here are peddling.
I think hightor's point is that exactly those concerns are at issue.
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2020 12:22 pm
@blatham,
Basically his team is admitting that even if he wins, there won't be enough Democrats elected by riding on his coattails to provide him with the votes to actually enact his programs through successful legislation.
blatham
 
  2  
Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2020 12:30 pm
@hightor,
Smart point. And I'm expecting there are folks around him (and who support him) who would not be averse to a rather dictatorial presidency, his personal goodness being not in question.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jan, 2020 12:58 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Basically his team is admitting that even if he wins, there won't be enough Democrats elected by riding on his coattails to provide him with the votes to actually enact his programs through successful legislation.

A realistic outlook.
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