Progressives (Liberals)

@hightor,

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Yes, the idea of steady progress toward an egalitarian sustainable future is unrealistic.

Even if so, it's the only idea worth fighting for.

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@Olivier5,

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Even if so, it's the only idea worth fighting for.

We'll be lucky if we can hold on to what we have left.

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@Olivier5,

Freedom and civil liberties are worth fighting for. Note the peaceful protests against progressive tyranny that are happening in Virginia.

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@Olivier5,

I agree with George that progress is unrealistic under conservative republican governance.

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@hightor,

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We'll be lucky if we can hold on to what we have left.

That game is essentially conservative, though, and not everybody's got something to hold on to... It's also an illusion in the face of accelerating climate change.

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@RABEL222,

Highly unrealistic under republican governance, I agree. But a newspaper with the historic credentials of the NYT should know better than imply that progress is unrealistic even under democratic leadership.

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@oralloy,

You mean the nazis?

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@Olivier5,

Demonization of peaceful protesters is quite shameful, although it is typical of progressives to engage in such shameful tactics.

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@oralloy,

The ones who were arrested were in fact Nazis. So are a lot of the online advocates advocating going to Virginia heavily armed to the teeth.

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@oralloy,

No amount of gesticulation will do. We know who you are.

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@Olivier5,

Your demonization of civil liberties advocates is shameful.

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@revelette3,

Says who? Progressives who want to demonize civil liberties?

When progressives demonize civil liberties advocates, all that shows is what horrible people progressives are.

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@Olivier5,

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We know who you are.

Who told you Inspector Clouseau?

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@oralloy,

"Small-footed SS" is how Simone Veil characterized your type in 1979 ("des SS au petit pied"). Don't know if that translates. She knew what she was talking about; she had survived the camps of the real SS.

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@Olivier5,

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So you agree that "progress is unrealistic"?

I think otherwise, needless to say.

Not at all, though I do note that history and the available texts of philosophy and folklore - going back to the Gilgamesh epic of ~ 2,000 BC - provide us ample evidence that the human condition hasn't changed much over that time.

Only a fraction of what self-proclaimed progressives, from the Gracchi brothers of Rome to Marx, Lenin, Woodrow Wilson and many others has proven to yield long-term, durable benefits. Some has certainly benefitted many, and indeed has become woven into the fabric of modern life. However just labelling someone or something as "progressive" is no assurance that it is either useful or beneficial

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@Olivier5,

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"Small-footed SS"

A tiny Nazi. That is all you have is calling someone a Nazi? Weak and overused to the point of irrelevance.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

"Small-footed SS" is how Simone Veil characterized your type in 1979 ("des SS au petit pied"). Don't know if that translates.

Progressives engage in all sorts of name-calling against people who do not share their demented ideology. It's because progressives are not capable of defending their beliefs with intelligent arguments.

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She knew what she was talking about; she had survived the camps of the real SS.

Then she should be ashamed of herself for demeaning the Holocaust by falsely calling people Nazis.

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I ran across an interesting passage from my reading today. Try to consider I consider MLK to have been an early Progressive.

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We are encountering just such an experience today. The inevitable counterrevolution that succeeds every period of progress is taking place. Failing to understand this as a normal process of development, some Negroes are falling into unjustified pessimism and despair. Focusing on the ultimate goal, and discovering it still distant, they declare no progress at all has been made.

This mood illustrates another fact that has been misinterpreted. A final victory is an accumulation of many short-term encounters. To lightly dismiss a success because it does not usher in a complete order of justice is to fail to comprehend the process of achieving full victory. It underestimates the value of confrontation and dissolves the confidence born of a partial victory by which new efforts are powered.

King Jr, Martin Luther. Where Do We Go from Here (King Legacy) (p. 13). Beacon Press. Kindle Edition.

Substitute the word "Negro" (aside from it being not current) for whatever government or political goal is desired, in this case the Progressive Agenda.

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@georgeob1,

Okay so you concede that progress is possible but you're generally pessimistic about human nature. That may be because you hang around with narrow-minded republicans too much. Normal human beings are much better.

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@revelette3,

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some Negroes are falling into unjustified pessimism and despair. Focusing on the ultimate goal, and discovering it still distant, they declare no progress at all has been made.

Thanks for this inspiring quote.

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