Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 4 Dec, 2019 03:11 pm
@RABEL222,
Indeed. As I said, it seems that Trump is normalizing political violence by threatening to beat up, jail or kill his political opponents, or by condoning the murder of a demonstrator in Charlottesville some time back. Yes there is a "terrain", but he is busy plowing and sowing it.
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 4 Dec, 2019 03:11 pm
@Brand X,
I’m sure Kamala appreciated that!
😆
Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 4 Dec, 2019 05:16 pm
@Lash,
She has to hang onto something I guess.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 4 Dec, 2019 05:56 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
Trump is normalizing political violence by threatening to beat up, jail or kill his political opponents, or by condoning the murder of a demonstrator in Charlottesville some time back. Yes there is a "terrain", but he is busy plowing and sowing it.

That is a load of ****. It amounts to rhetoric and that is all. He never condoned murder. That is a lie. I know the object is to perpetuate lies. If I see them I will call you out on them.

Now produce a quote or something that proves Trump condoned murder. I do not expect an answer because that proof does not exist.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 5 Dec, 2019 01:24 am
@coldjoint,
He did say there were good and bad people on both sides of Charlottesville demonstrations, or something like that. When in fact, on one side there was a murderer and on the other there was a victim.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 5 Dec, 2019 06:05 am
@Lash,
Word on Kamala: Biden has made a deal.
Of course, I don’t know this, and this partnership would be problematic, but putting out the talk.

(I feel like talk about them doesn’t really belong on the progressive thread...)
Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 5 Dec, 2019 06:18 am
Andrew Yang getting death threats. WTF.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 5 Dec, 2019 07:34 am
Matt Taibbi

Verified account

@mtaibbi
6h6 hours ago
MoreMatt Taibbi Retweeted Max Blumenthal
HRC to Stern, re Russians: “Basically, they were like, hey, let’s do everything we can to elect Donald Trump... They also said Bernie Sanders, but that’s for another day
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 5 Dec, 2019 07:49 am
@Lash,
From Columbia Journalism Review
Quote:
How disinformation campaigns suppress the Black vote

...Though the Harris campaign has been unable to prove that Russian bots were behind the tweet’s virality, the episode bore the signs: Caroline Orr, a reporter focused on disinformation, observed that a group of accounts all picked up Alexander’s tweet within minutes, “astroturfing” it—that is, planting the message but masking its origin, to make something artificial appear real—within the #Blexit movement (a play on Brexit for a Black constituency). As in the 2016 election, which revealed how vulnerable the American electorate is to outside influence, the Harris claim used the fault line of race, a potent motivator, to foment division, create distrust in the democratic process, and turn African Americans into disaffected voters.

...A lot of damage has already been done as reporters have tried to figure it all out. The Internet Research Agency, Russia’s fire hose of election interference, has reached more than 120 million people on Facebook and at least 20 million on Instagram. It also produced 1.4 million election-related tweets and uploaded more than a thousand videos to YouTube. Using sophisticated tactics—from newsbots posting articles to retweets and hashtags on Twitter to cultural media pages built to foster relationships with real people on Facebook and Instagram—the IRA has had an especially dire impact on millions of Black voters, a demographic that disproportionately uses social networks and has a long history of mistrusting the US government.

...On the ground, the coordinated efforts of Russian agents seemed to work in concert with American operatives intent on using similar tactics to weaponize digital media. For instance, when Gillum backed a ballot initiative that would restore voting rights to former felons who had served out their sentences, his political opponents flooded social networks with ads and stories about him being “soft on crime”; right-wing sites—such as the Daily Wire, the Daily Caller, The Signal, and Breitbart—spread the same message under the guise of news reporting.
Much more here
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 5 Dec, 2019 12:12 pm
https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/5ad640c/2147483647/strip/true/crop/782x1108+0+0/resize/840x1190!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F72%2Fcf%2F795a8c6944968b8028184b372612%2F474670-w-2019-12-05-la-na-pol-california-poll-democratic-primary-trend-01.jpg

Source:
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-12-05/democrats-2020-race-california-poll
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 5 Dec, 2019 03:22 pm
@blatham,
The thousands of progressives I read and/or interact with loved Gillum—until he courted and advertised an endorsement by Hillary Clinton.

He was dropped like a hot cake.

The right wing probably saw that as a plus.

Re Kamala. The accusations were factual. There’s no denying it. Blaming failure in Russia is stupid and transparent. It’s a losing proposition.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 5 Dec, 2019 03:53 pm

Heba Hersi
@Hebahersi
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1h
“As prison abolitionists, Black feminists, community organizers, and those who represent all three tendencies have led critiques of both Kamala Harris’ policies and prosecutorial record, her identity as Black, and as a woman, and especially as a Black woman cannot shield her”
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 5 Dec, 2019 05:44 pm
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/kamala-harris-cop-racism-trump-twitter-democrats-a9234831.html

Harris shocked many this week when she announced she was dropping out of the run for the presidency
If you think calling Kamala Harris a cop was racist, you need to talk to black feminists
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2019 05:56 am
@Lash,
Quote:
The thousands of progressives I read and/or interact with loved Gillum—until he courted and advertised an endorsement by Hillary Clinton...He was dropped like a hot cake.
So, your thoughtful formula is that if any candidate accepts and promotes an endorsement from Hillary Clinton then that candidate, whoever he or she might be, is immediately deserving of fulsome vilification and rejection as a candidate?

So what happens if Sanders gains the nomination and is then endorsed by Hillary - which is what will happen if he's the nominee?

Quote:
Re Kamala... Blaming failure in Russia is stupid and transparent.
No such claim appears anywhere in the Columbia Journalism Review's reporting I linked above. Did you bother to read it? What is noted is that two races (Gillum and Stacy Abrams) were both very close and that Russian influence was pervasive and sophisticated in both cases. That Russian influence (abetted by aligned domestic agents) may very well have made the difference in either or both cases. The Russians etc are not going to be expending such efforts and finances on a presumption they can't influence opinions and/or voter turn out.
Quote:
In other words, while the IRA was behind a campaign generating posts en masse that encouraged Black voters to stay home on Election Day, Republicans were fueling a disinformation campaign to motivate conservatives. (A spokesperson for DeSantis didn’t respond to requests for comment.)

More of the same took place during the gubernatorial race in Georgia, where Stacey Abrams, a Black female Democrat, was running in a tight, closely watched election against Brian Kemp, a white male Republican.


Obviously, Republican electoral chances are increased if the black vote is diminished. Many of the voter suppression techniques utilized at the federal and state levels have exactly this end as their goal. And as Russia does NOT want a Dem in the WH, that's the game they play as well (even if they have a broader goal of causing Americans to lose faith in citizen government). Promotion of notions/claims of hatreds and grave dissent between elements within the black community will be a prime vector for what the Russians and domestic allies will be, and are, doing. Divide and conquer. To the degree that you or others push this sort of disinformation out into the social media world, to that degree you are doing exactly what the bad guys want.
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2019 07:19 am
A bit long but worthwhile (and humorous):

Lefty Lingo

Quote:
The only letter I’ve ever sent to the New York Times was in the 1980s, objecting to the paper’s suddenly pestilent use of “draconian.” During Iran–Contra the complaint must have seemed trivial; the letter never saw print. Yet that seminal annoyance in my twenties marked an awakening to word-as-contagion.

Every era has its fashionable argot. Take the turn of this century, when we were eternally “on the same page” and getting “wake-up calls” while confessing “My bad!” or pronouncing ourselves “good to go.” Meanwhile, the British were christening everything in sight “brilliant” and prefacing their every sentence with “to be honest.” Alas, the Brits’ grating compulsion to denounce initiatives and bodies as “not fit for purpose” has yet to burn out. Maybe it’s time to write another letter.

Propelled by digital technology that spreads rhetorical fads like herpes, this decade’s lengthy left-wing lexicon has impressively penetrated both mainstream media and everyday speech, while carrying ideological baggage so overstuffed that it wouldn’t fit in an airplane’s overhead compartment. The idiom is persistently negative. Many of the cringe-inducers I grew up with in the 1960s conveyed enthusiasm: “Way to be!,” “Outta sight!,” “Far out!,” and “Dig that!” Subsequent generations have also latched onto effusive expressions, such as “Awesome!” and “That’s sick!” But the glossary particular to today’s left is joylessly accusatory: “fat shaming,” “victim blaming,” or “rape culture” (which indicts not only men but pretty much everything). As we said in 1970, what a drag.

Front and center in overused progressive vocabulary is, of course, “privilege.” From Lyndon Johnson onward, we’ve expressed concern for the “underprivileged.” Shining a spotlight instead on the “privileged” fosters resentment in people who feel shafted and an impotent guilt in people at whom the label is hurled. The word functions something like a rotten tomato without the mess. I myself have been decried in the Independent as “dripping with privilege,” while the writer Ariel Levy was portrayed in The New Republic as “swaddled in privilege.” This is a shape-shifting substance in which one can bathe or nestle.

Whereas a privilege can be acquired through merit—e.g., students with good grades got to go bowling with our teacher in sixth grade—privilege, sans the article, is implicitly unearned and undeserved. The designation neatly dispossesses those so stigmatized of any credit for their achievements while discounting as immaterial those hurdles an individual with a perceived leg up might still have had to overcome (an alcoholic parent, a stutter, even poverty). For privilege is a static state into which you are born, stained by original sin. Just as you can’t earn yourself into privilege, you can’t earn yourself out of it, either.

Even taken on its face, the concept is elusive. “Privilege is an unbelievably hard thing to define,” the British journalist Douglas Murray observes in The Madness of Crowds:

"It is also very nearly impossible to quantify. . . . Is a person with inherited wealth but who has a natural disability more privileged or less privileged than a person without any inherited wealth who is able-bodied? Who can work this out?"

Not I, although I confess I’m under-motivated.

Yet in practice, while “privileged” may also mean “straight and male,” it almost always means “white.” In The Tyranny of Virtue, the academic Robert Boyers observes that these days the label is deployed in a way that “makes it acceptable to target groups or persons not because of what they have done but because of what they are.” That sounds awfully like a workable definition of racism. Thus it’s intriguing that the P-bomb is most frequently dropped by folks of European heritage, either to convey a posturing humility (“I acknowledge my privilege”) or to demonize the Bad White People, the better to distinguish themselves as the Good White People.

Boyers himself has been shut down in his classroom at Skidmore College by a student accusation that he exercised “privilege,” which he describes as “a noise word intended to distract all of us from the substance of our discussion.” Its invocation is meant to punish its object “by making him into a representative of something he could not possibly defend himself against.” He writes, “Nothing is easier than to wield the charge of privilege and thereby to win instant approval.” In other words, it’s a cheap shot.

Sometimes the cheap shot backfires. A September Guardian editorial scorned former British prime minister David Cameron’s experience of having his disabled six-year-old son die in his arms as “privileged pain.” The attempt to deny the man the integrity of his suffering went down so poorly even with the paper’s loyal readership that the editors were forced to admit the editorial “fell far short of our standards” and to provide an amendment. Yet for the sneering dismissal ever to have seen the light of day speaks volumes. The privileged are denied even the right to anguish.

Meanwhile, it isn’t clear what an admission of privilege calls you to do, aside from cower. That tired injunction “Check your privilege” translates simply to “S.T.F.U.”—and it’s telling that “Shut the **** up” is now a sufficiently commonplace imperative to have lodged in text-speak.

Because the left’s collective vocabulary functions as a T-shirt, the better for the like-minded to recognize one another like campers on a field trip, members of this in-group have naturally adopted a hip descriptor for themselves. In The Problem with Everything, Meghan Daum identifies “woke” as borrowed from the civil-rights movement, when the term “signaled one’s allegiance to a more general ethos of progressive righteousness.” Sadly, the resurrected buzzword has already backfired, having rapidly proved an inadvertent gift to conservative commentators, who’d wearied of their shopworn swipes at “social-justice warriors.”

In more and more commentary, the term “woke” and attendant mischievous improvisations are delivered with a smirk. The monosyllabic tag has turned out to be wonderfully adaptable for the purposes of derision. Snide variations abound: “the wokery” (mine), the “wokerati” (Lisa Simeone), “The Woke-ing Class” (Julie Bindel), or Daum’s shorthand for “NPR-listening, New Yorker–reading, Slate podcast–downloading elites”: the “wokescenti.”

The wokescenti’s biggest terminological success is surely “people of color,” whose nearly universal installation in public discourse shouldn’t reprieve the term from scrutiny.
(After all, what does that make everyone else, “people of whiteness”?) While this curiously archaic construction is commendably inclusive, erstwhile “minorities” also encompassed a range of skin tones. And there’s no avoiding the absurdity that “colored people,” which the fresher phrase strains to avoid, is a dated 1950s expression that came to be construed as disrespectful. “Linguistically,” Murray notes, the distinction is “without a meaningful difference.” Yet when poor Benedict Cumberbatch appeared on Tavis Smiley in 2015 and carelessly alluded to “colored actors,” all hell broke loose: outcry, public apology (“I make no excuse for my being an idiot and know the damage is done”), the works. “Throughout this episode,” Murray reminds us, “nobody seriously claimed that Cumberbatch was a racist.” He had merely committed a “crime of language.”

The same demented theatrical deference has abruptly made the noun “slave” almost unprintable. Therefore in a long New York Times article in September about Virginia Theological Seminary’s historical complicity in slavery, we find reference to “enslaved people,” “slave labor,” “the enslaved,” victims of “involuntary servitude,” “people who were sold,” people who were “once owned,” “enslaved laborers,” “enslaved men and women,” and previous faculty who had “owned black people”—but, scrupulously, never one use, outside direct quotations, of “slave” as a noun.

These circumlocutions are meant to emphasize the fact that Africans traded like chattel were not, in their essence, slaves but human beings. Yet the logic of this prohibition taints any noun that refers to a person. If I’m a “Londoner” or a “libertarian,” is that all I am? Aren’t these words, by identifying me via a mere location or creed, reductive? Given that butchers and bakers and candlestick makers cannot, in their essence, be distilled to their professions, perhaps we should say instead “butchering people” and “baking people” and “people of candlestick making.”

Another popular substitute for the neutrally proportionate word “minorities,” “marginalized communities” conveniently assumes the conclusion: that all minorities are exiled to the social edges. Cultural “appropriation” likewise assumes the conclusion that cultural cross-fertilization equates with theft. Thus to force an antagonist of the concept to employ the term is to win while skipping the argument. Underhanded, but effective.

The premier example of this linguistic skulduggery—that is, winning an argument without the bother of actually having one—is the left’s increasingly successful imposition of the disagreeable-sounding term “cisgender.” The logic of the 1990s contrivance—“cis” being Latin for “on this side of,” as opposed to “trans,” meaning “on the other side of”—feels forced and inorganic. More crucially, to employ the adjective is to endorse the view that sex is “assigned” at birth rather than recognized as a biological fact. The word no sooner raises thorny debates regarding sex and gender than shuts them down.

Denoting, say, a woman born a woman who thinks she’s a woman, this freighted neologism deliberately peculiarizes being born a sex and placidly accepting your fate, and even suggests that there’s something a bit passive and conformist about complying with the arbitrary caprices of your mother’s doctor. Moreover, unless a discussion specifically regards transgenderism, in which case we might need to distinguish the rest of the population (“non-trans” would do nicely), we don’t really need this word, except as a banner for how gendercool we are. It’s no more necessary than words for “a dog that is not a cat,” a “lamppost that is not a fire hydrant,” or “a table that is actually a table.” Presumably, in order to mark entities that are what they appear to be, we could append “cis” to anything and everything. “Cisblue” would mean blue and not yellow. “Cisboring” would mean genuinely dull, and not secretly entertaining after all.

“Microaggression” is a perverse concoction, implying that the offense in question is so minuscule as to be invisible to the naked eye, yet also that it’s terribly important. The word cultivates hypersensitivity. The ubiquitous “transphobic,” “Islamophobic,” and “homophobic” are also eccentric, in that the reprobates so branded are not really being accused of fearfulness but hatred. (Sorry—hate. “Hatred” has gone the way of the floppy disk.) “Lived experience” is interchangeable with “experience,” save that the redundant double-barrel is pompous. The alphabet soup of “LGBTQ” continues to add letters: LGBTQIAGNC, LGBTQQIP2SAA, or even LGBTIQCAPGNGFNBA. A three-year-old bashing the keyboard would produce a more functional shorthand, and we already have a simpler locution: queer.

Rare instances of left-wing understatement, “problematic” and “troubling” are coyly nonspecific red flags for political transgression that obviate spelling out exactly what sin has been committed (thereby eliding the argument). Similarly, the all-purpose adjectival workhorse “inappropriate” presumes a shared set of social norms that in the throes of the culture wars we conspicuously lack. This euphemistic tsk-tsk projects the prim censure of a mother alarmed that her daughter’s low-cut blouse is too revealing for church. “Inappropriate” is laced with disgust, while once again skipping the argument. By conceit, the appalling nature of the misbehavior at issue is glaringly obvious to everyone, so what’s wrong with it goes without saying.

Every linguistic subset constitutes a code. But this vernacular isn’t as innocently contagious as “groovy.” In left-wing circles, neglecting to ape what has been tacitly declared as What We Say Now marks you as suspect. Conversely, weaving the proper jargon into conversation signals ingratiatingly to your political clan, “I’m one of you guys.” (Hence when mainstream media outlets embrace these terms, they brand themselves as partisan.) In today’s political climate, deployment of progressive conformist vocabulary is also defensive. It broadcasts benevolence and an elaborate, gesturing respect for others meant to keep the wolves from the door.

The whole lexicon is of a piece. Its usage advertises that one has bought into a set menu of opinions—about race, gender, climate change, abortion, tax policy, #MeToo, Trump, Brexit, Brett Kavanaugh, probably Israel, and a great deal else. Reflexive resort to this argot therefore implies not that you think the same way as others of your political disposition but that you don’t think. You have ordered the prix fixe; you’re not in the kitchen cooking dinner for yourself. “The seductions of this shorthand,” writes Daum, are that there is “no need to sort out facts or wrestle with contradictions when just using certain buzzwords” grants “automatic entry into a group of ostensibly like-minded peers.” This vocabulary is lazy.

Assumption of the left’s prescriptive patois may indicate solidarity with fellow travelers, but it also betokens the insularity and closed-mindedness of any indiscriminate embrace of fundamentalist dogma. It instantly alienates people who don’t sign up for the same set menu of views—which may sometimes be the intention. Referencing the “cis-heteronormative patriarchy” in discussions with strangers suggests either that you presume these people already agree with you on virtually everything, or that you’re only interested in talking to them if they do. Even if speaking to moderates, much less conservatives (who have their own coded lingo, such as “snowflakes,” “virtue signaling,” and “grievance culture”), you have shut down conversation.

Standardized lefty catchphrases are now routinely employed to test allegiance and to exclude people who fail the test. Boyers notes that cherished left-wing concepts like identity and inequality are now used “to label and separate the saved and the damned, the ‘woke’ and the benighted, the victim and the oppressor,” thereby “yielding not significant redress but a new wave of puritanism and a culture of suspicion.” This moral division of wheat from chaff sows confusion about the difference between “sponsoring injustice and simply living more or less modestly in an imperfect world.”

Like all new slang, the current crop has the attraction of seeming ultra-contemporary. But as quickly as these ideologically loaded expressions proliferate, they also become clichés—a problem beyond politics. When students at Cardiff University petitioned to disinvite the feminist Germaine Greer, who does not see trans women as women, because “hosting a speaker with such problematic and hateful views towards marginalized and vulnerable groups is dangerous,” they displayed not only that they could not think for themselves, but that they could not write.

harpers/shriver
revelette3
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2019 10:18 am
@hightor,
Well, I confess, I am not sure what to make of it. Some of I agreed with I think. I never head the term, "cisgender". I did chuckle on reading about it.

Quote:
It’s no more necessary than words for “a dog that is not a cat,” a “lamppost that is not a fire hydrant,” or “a table that is actually a table.” Presumably, in order to mark entities that are what they appear to be, we could append “cis” to anything and everything. “Cisblue” would mean blue and not yellow. “Cisboring” would mean genuinely dull, and not secretly entertaining after all.
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revelette3
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2019 11:02 am
Not aiming to be disagreeable by posting an article about "socialist" in a progressive thread. However, it is a very good article, much too long to post (even for me and I admit, I have been known to post long articles) and I am not sure where to cut and paste, so I will leave the link and hope those with maybe a few 10 days or a subscriber to the NYT will read it. Try to keep reading so that you can get to the balance between unfettered capitalism and a too much government (there is a such thing) interference. It's just another way to look it at all.

With that long winded preamble:

I Was Once a Socialist. Then I Saw How It Worked.

Quote:
We failed to distinguish between the supportive state and the regulatory state.
Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2019 12:46 pm
Jackson Richman


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#BREAKING: @JulianCastro becomes the latest 2020 Democratic presidential candidate to pledge to keep the U.S. embassy in #Israel in Jerusalem.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2019 12:47 pm
@revelette3,
David Brooks' views are similar to those of the right-wing side of our conservative party here in Germany (CDU).
revelette3
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2019 01:14 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I don't really keep up with individual new columnists. I just agree with the basic premise of the article in believing in government to help people get a leg up to help themselves (if they can.) Unless I misunderstood it.
 

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