blatham
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 05:17 am
@Lash,
Quote:
You don’t seem to know fundamental facts about the DNC.
There's a good instance of what I just wrote about. The RNC has out-raised the DNC. It's hardly a winning strategy to allow such an imbalance to continue and to expand.

And as that piece notes and as I just wrote, if Sanders becomes the nominee, he's going to NEED the DNC to be a robust source of financial support.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 05:18 am
@Lash,
Quote:
THE DNC IS NEARLY BROKE
2013
That's too recent and the data too isolated to be of much use.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 05:20 am
@Brand X,
Quote:
"I [Bloomberg] will be the only candidate in this race who isn't corruptible."
That is exactly what Trump said. Exactly.
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 05:33 am
@blatham,
It is not too recent, and it shows a pattern of financial mismanagement and vulnerability of the DNC to anyone with money.

It also shows your lack of knowledge about DNC financial problems and your inability to admit when you are wrong.
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 05:35 am
@blatham,
The opposite is true. The DNC badgered Sanders to give THEM HIS massive fundraising list. He remained true to us and did not.

They will never get our money.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 05:42 am
@Lash,
Quote:
It is not too recent, and it shows a pattern of financial mismanagement and vulnerability of the DNC to anyone with money.

It also shows your lack of knowledge about DNC financial problems and your inability to admit when you are wrong.
You've certainly convinced me that you are a scholar in these matters and that you bring your broad knowledge base on DNC/RNC funding over the last few decades and your careful thought to the posts you write here.
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 05:47 am
@blatham,
Your personal dislike of the poster should not negate the proof brought from verifiable sources.

To pretend verifiable sources are negated in such a way renders your opinions blatantly suspect.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 05:48 am
@Lash,
Quote:
They will never get our money.
Huh? The point made was that Sanders, if he gains the nomination, will need broad and fulsome financial support from the DNC in operations up and down the ticket across every state. Without such support, he (nor anyone else) would be able to compete. He will cooperate with the DNC. He simply has to.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 05:54 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Your personal dislike of the poster should not negate the proof brought from verifiable sources.
It's not that (even if you keep making things worse). It's your intellectual laziness and lack of care in thinking about issues and in making sound arguments.

You might notice that in the posts I've written above that I am fully open as regards my lack of familiarity/knowledge with a bunch of issues here. That's not a feature of your posts.
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 07:10 am
@blatham,
This information (the DNC’s poor funding and vulnerability to a savior with an agenda and lots of money) is widely known, featured in many articles and prominently featured the lawsuit against the DNC re rigging the primary.

It is a fact.
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 07:12 am
@blatham,
He does NOT have to hand over to them the list of people who send him money.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 07:20 am
@Lash,
Quote:
He does NOT have to hand over to them the list of people who send him money.
Fine. And absolutely irrelevant to the point that his campaign, if he is the nominee, will depend utterly on DNC funding and organization. It's a key reason why he is running as a Democrat rather than as an Independent.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 07:36 am
@Lash,
Quote:
This information (the DNC’s poor funding and vulnerability to a savior with an agenda and lots of money) is widely known, featured in many articles and prominently featured the lawsuit against the DNC re rigging the primary.

It is a fact.
Your assertions about facts don't carry a lot of weight given your reliance here on anonymous tweets and your regular failure to bring in detailed and credible reporting which supports your assertions. Not to mention your failures to carefully and logically forward argumentation.

Just above, you posted an interview with Brazille that contained little data. I followed up with another link to a Politico piece which contained far more information, much of which provided support for your contention far better than your own link.

And - as almost always - you refrain from making any sort of address to what is going on in the conservative universe. Have you ever, and I do mean "ever", written here about the operations of the RNC? Your posts have almost universally rejected the role of Russia in the 2016 election and their operations in the present. You've carried forward the worst sort of Russian or rightwing propaganda (Seth Richards) into your posts.

There are a lot of reasons why you have almost zero support from others contributing here at A2K.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 07:47 am
From Ed Kilgore
Quote:
It's Still Unclear Why Bloomberg Is Electable

The other day I assessed one theory for how Michael Bloomberg might imagine he’s going to win the Democratic presidential nomination at this late date: He’s gambling, Alex Pareene suggested, on a “brokered convention” controlled by his “Establishment” friends turning to him. I found the theory unpersuasive, mostly because the arrival of Bloomberg’s wallet in the race is more likely to winnow than scramble the field, letting someone else nail down the nomination, instead of creating a deadlocked convention (which would not, in any event, regard Bloomberg as the party’s savior).

But Pareene’s theory strikes me as more plausible than the one penned by John Ellis for CNBC, which suggests panicked Democrats will leap en masse onto Bloomberg’s bandwagon because he’s the only remaining electable candidate in the field after the early contests. Here’s the scenario:

Quote:
Democratic voters nationally have been moving inexorably toward the view that the party should drop its ideological prerequisites and nominate the most electable candidate, period….

There are two ways things can go in the “electability” half of the bracket. Biden can win by default. (“There is no one else more likely to beat Trump, so we might as well throw in with Joe.”) Or he can get crushed in Iowa and New Hampshire by a 37-year-old gay mayor from South Bend, Indiana, and as a result, watch his candidacy collapse. The latter outcome would leave Buttigieg as the commander of the “electability” army, which (assuming the polling is accurate) enjoys an overwhelming numerical advantage over the “progressive” battalions.

It’s on the latter scenario that Mr. Bloomberg’s candidacy hinges. His handlers are presuming that having seen Mr. Biden dispatched and Mr. Buttigieg all-but-anointed, the Democratic primary electorate in the Super Tuesday states (and beyond) would recoil with buyer’s remorse and scramble to find a more “suitable” (meaning “not gay,” although no one will ever admit it) replacement.

And there waiting for them, with literally billions of dollars ready to spend and open arms, would be Michael Bloomberg.


The underpinnings of this rickety argument structure bear examination. Candidates tend to do better in electability metrics when they are better known and demonstrating popularity in their own party. If, say, Elizabeth Warren swept through the early states, the odds are very good that she’d look as “electable” as Biden looks right now. Ellis seems to assume (based in part on Nate Cohn’s analysis) that progressive candidates are less electable by definition because they don’t appeal to the white working-class voters who will determine the winner of the Rust Belt battleground states and hence (according to Cohn) the Electoral College.

But is there any way on earth that multi-billionaire Michael Bloomberg — pro-gun-control, anti-fossil fuel, Wall Street-oriented Michael Bloomberg — is going to do better among midwestern white working-class voters than, well, anyone else? The fallacy that “centrism” is what these voters want is fully exposed here: Why are these voters attracted to Donald Trump if what they really want is someone like Mike Bloomberg, his polar opposite in the world of New York politics and culture? Beats me.

Ah, yes, but then there is Bloomberg’s wealth and reputation for competence:

Quote:
Calm, competent, uncharismatic, efficient, former Republican, ruthless billionaire Michael Bloomberg, with an unholy host of political consultants and pollsters ready, willing and able to fan out across every last cable news show to explain why, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Mike Bloomberg was the most electable Democrat in November. (Maybe the most electable candidate in the history of mankind, if it was late enough at night.)


Oh, I don’t know. Was there ever a presidential effort with a larger entourage of “genius” strategists and consultants on the payroll than Jeb Bush’s Hindenburg disaster of a candidacy in 2016? He was absolutely humiliated. Marketing sizzle can accomplish some things, but you have to have the steak, and among Democratic primary voters, Bloomberg isn’t what they’re hungry for, as Ellis concedes. And the idea that he personifies electability is strange. Yeah, his money is impressive, but it’s conventional wisdom in political science that money doesn’t matter a great deal in a presidential general election unless it’s all but uncontested, and we know Trump is going to have a giant bankroll of his own. Which Democratic constituency is he going to get all energized to go the extra mile? African-Americans? I don’t think so. Women? Probably not.

In the end Ellis’s scenario depends on a Democratic Party in a full electability panic, which it probably shouldn’t and won’t be in, turning to a candidate that most Democrats don’t like and don’t even consider electable. It may be too late for this advice, but Bloomberg should save his money, or better yet, spend it on the many down-ballot candidates who could use it to win.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 07:56 am
@blatham,
A criticism of the DNC doesn’t require a comparative statement about the RNC or any other comparisons. Unless all you want to do is compare.

You doubted an assertion I made about the poor state of DNC finances over a 6 or 7 year period. I actually found that DNC funding has been severely problematic for much longer.

Nothing you can do or say will change that. No comparison to anything else will change that. No history of the person bringing that information here will change that. No heinous behavior by the RNC will change that.

Hiding from facts makes you a weak person and undercuts everything you say here.

Your eyes should be open to all aspects of a story to be a competent contributor
to a conversation about the story.

Btw, like most people here who bring tweets, I don’t ‘rely’ on them; I either like them, think they bring up a compelling point, or they made me laugh.
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 08:03 am
@blatham,
You really don’t know **** about Bernie. The primary reason he wouldn’t run as an independent candidate is because he sees the lay of the land and knows third party will either spoil for the Ds or Rs.
He hates spoilers.
Lash
 
  0  
Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 08:12 am
https://apnews.com/f7db6e415f69dd8b6c60b2c299fa1bee

Excerpt:

He told me the Democratic Party was broke and $2 million in debt,” Ms. Brazile wrote. ” ‘What?’ I screamed. ‘I am an officer of the party and they’ve been telling us everything is fine and they were raising money with no problems.’ That wasn’t true, he said. Officials from Hillary’s campaign had taken a look at the DNC’s books. Obama left the party $24 million in debt $15 million in bank debt and more than $8 million owed to vendors after the 2012 campaign and had been paying that off very slowly.”

She said Mr. Obama’s campaign was not scheduled to pay it off the debts until 2016.

“If I didn’t know about this, I assumed that none of the other officers knew about it, either,” Ms. Brazile wrote. “That was just Debbie’s way.”

In an excerpt published by Politico, she also said that she eventually discovered a written agreement that proved what Mr. Sanders had been claiming that the DNC was in the tank for Mrs. Clinton long before primary voting ended. She said the deal was struck by Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook and Mrs. Wasserman Schultz.

She said the Clinton campaign was essentially controlling the bulk of the party’s contributions and sending a small share to the DNC to “keep it on life support,” unbeknownst to Mr. Sanders’ campaign. Ms. Brazile said Mr. Gentler told her the Clinton campaign “had to do it or the party would collapse.”
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Lash
 
  0  
Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 08:30 am
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article217118220.html

In part, old money problems are compounded by the #DemExit due to the progressive activists reacting to being cheated in 2016:

After 2016’s defeat of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton by Donald Trump, many of the group’s most consistent donors are putting their money elsewhere. A McClatchy analysis found that more than 200 donors who had given more than $1,000 to the DNC in each of the past two midterm elections have failed to pony up any cash to the DNC this time around, despite continuing to support other Democratic groups and candidates.

The poor showing could limit the DNC’s ability to provide support, such as direct financial contributions or get-out-the-vote assistance, to candidates and state parties in November. And it puts them at a disadvantage heading into the 2020 presidential cycle where the committee will play an even larger role.

Helen Schafer, a retired teacher in Fresno, Calif., who had given $7,000 to the DNC over the past five election cycles, said she lost faith in the committee after 2016.

So this time around, she contributed more than $4,000 to liberal groups such as End Citizens United and Progressive Turnout Project through the Democratic fundraising group ActBlue, as well as more than $1,500 to House Majority PAC, a Democratic group aimed at returning the U.S. House to Democratic control.

How online money is reshaping the Democratic Party

“I kind of blame them for the defeat in 2016,” Schafer said of the DNC. “I know that’s unreasonable and there were a lot of factors, but I’m not sure their leadership is as strong as it used to be.”

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida who served as party chairman in 2016, was roundly criticized for seeming to favor Clinton over Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders, a Vermont senator, and was held partly responsible for the publication of private emails by Wikileaks.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 08:32 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
The primary reason he wouldn’t run as an independent candidate is because he sees the lay of the land and knows third party will either spoil for the Ds or Rs.

April 2015:
http://able2know.org/topic/275711-1#post-5943133
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 27 Nov, 2019 11:38 am
@blatham,
A billionaire whose only interest in life is to remain a billionaire. How anyone can believe that a billionaire can care about anyone else is beyond me. I should say most billionaires. Surly there might be one or two who can be compassionate.
 

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