blatham
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2019 06:19 pm
@edgarblythe,
That's good news.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2019 06:27 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
If Sanders is half as popular as you say he is he should be able to win outright.
Yes. And in one aspect, he's had an advantage in working to build a following and coalition for much longer than anyone else running.

An interesting phenomenon which I certainly had not expected is that his heart attack and his performance since seems to have given him a boost. And I have no problem with that.
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2019 06:34 pm
A nice connection between Corbyn and Bernie.


Jeremy Corbyn
@jeremycorbyn
An important article by
@BernieSanders about the need to fight growing antisemitism around the world.

We are committed to being an ally in that fight. We are working to root it out of our party and our society as a whole.
——————————

These guys are going to walk the US and the UK out of this morass and into redemption.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2019 06:46 pm
@blatham,
Totally ignoring the fact that he gets more negative press and less coverage from mainstream news than the other top candidates.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2019 06:48 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
into redemption.

Redemption for what? This is not a sins of the father thing.
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2019 07:02 pm
@coldjoint,
I do think it’s a sins of the father thing. And a sins of us thing.

I was looking at footage of Venice today in class. I don’t think it’s going to be habitable much longer. Farmers’ fields are underwater and may never be arable again. I know you haven’t missed what’s happening to the planet—and although we’ve had warnings, the powers that be haven’t done anything about it.

Our government has been taken over by crooks with incremental bullshit corruption for about 40 years. Our country is a shitshow.

I want it back. I want it to be smarter, less warlike, and more people-centric.
coldjoint
 
  1  
Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2019 07:25 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
I know you haven’t missed what’s happening to the planet—and although we’ve had warnings, the powers that be haven’t done anything about it.

Actually, there is really nothing they can do about the weather. Are you under the impression trashing our economy will stop natural disasters? I agree governments are corrupt, but they have been since governments began. Taking choices away from citizens and putting them in the hands of government will only make things worse. And only people can make themselves people centric, not laws or more government.

Thanks for the civil reply.



hightor
 
  2  
Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2019 07:55 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
revelette3 wrote:

Has Deval Patrick ever said 40% of the voting public don't work and expect a handout?

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
What difference does that make?

As coldjoint so helpfully pointed out, Romney actually said 47%. I'm guessing you're not going to find instances of Deval Patrick defending corporate personhood either. The "difference" with Romney was that because of these kinds of stories he came off as stiff, stern, and severely square. Little things like that can put a candidate on the ropes before an opponent even lands the first punch. I don't think Mitt plays that well on a national stage; that doesn't preclude his being an effective or influential senator. I could see a more gifted politician avoiding Romney's excesses and "capitalizing" on similar corporate experience.
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Thu 14 Nov, 2019 10:32 pm
@coldjoint,
I agree with the people who think there is something we can do about the trends in our climate.

I believe pretty strongly there is a lot we can do about most of the yhings that are wrong now.
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Lash
 
  1  
Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 05:29 am
https://time.com/5729342/us-hong-kong/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_term=_&linkId=77079451

Hong Kong protesters are asking for American help. Too bad America is not home.

Excerpt:

This has been one of the darkest weeks in the Hong Kong protest movement. On Monday, one police officer shot a protestor with a live-round from point-blank range, another was filmed driving a motorbike into a group of protesters; in a separate incident, a protester set a man on fire during an argument. On Tuesday and Wednesday, the universities literally became battlegrounds as riot police stormed campuses and put students under siege.

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With the ongoing impeachment inquiry into President Trump, Brexit paralysis continuing in Britain, and turmoil in the Middle East, the attritional protests in Hong Kong could easily end up neglected and forgotten. But now more than ever, Hongkongers need our solidarity.

Grassroots groups have sprung up in major world capitals with a simple message: “Stand with Hong Kong”. In the United States, their activism has focused on one call: the passage of the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act through Congress. Hundreds of thousands of Hong Kongers have taken to the streets to make this plea to U.S. Senators. The act would be a symbolic statement that human rights and democracy are at the heart of U.S. policy in Hong Kong.

It has never been more badly needed. Monday’s protests were triggered by the news that a young student had died on Friday after being found with serious head injuries near the site of a protest. The Hong Kong Police Force are routinely calling protestors ‘cockroaches’, and a recent survey said that more than half of the Hong Kong public no longer have any trust in police officers. Suspected triad gangsters have attacked civilians and pro-democracy candidates (a conservative politician has also been stabbed), and allegations have surfaced of police officers gang-raping young people while in detention. Excessive and escalating police brutality has generated an almost complete breakdown of trust. A minority of the protestors have begun to meet violence with violence, sending Molotov cocktails firing.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 06:08 am
Bernie Sanders bounces as health scare fades
By Gregory Krieg, Annie Grayer and Ryan Nobles, CNN, November 14, 2019

Des Moines, Iowa (CNN)Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez capped her debut on the Iowa hustings in support of Bernie Sanders last week with a blunt call to action.

"This is not about something that we allow to happen to us. We don't let this race happen to us," she said at a rally for the Vermont senator in Council Bluffs. "We don't watch the presidential race. This is not a movie, this a movement."

And yet, there has been a certain cinematic quality to the last six weeks of Sanders' second Democratic presidential campaign. Nearly sidelined, or worse, by a heart attack in Las Vegas on the first night of October, Sanders has charted a remarkable revival. It's been powered by a run of invigorating endorsements, new poll results that showed him gaining steam in New Hampshire and Iowa, and the sense -- fueled in part by the massive crowds that welcomed him during recent rallies in New York and Minnesota -- that his "political revolution" was, after a trying summer, back on the march.

There are also, as Sanders joked following his Saturday climate summit in Des Moines, the stents to thank.

"I've got three arteries that are working right now -- that's pretty good," he deadpanned, while practicing mid-range jumpers on a basketball court at Drake University. "Better than one blocked artery, so I'm feeling really good."

His supporters and staff are saying much of the same. The backing of Ocasio-Cortez, along with fellow "squad" members Rep. Ilhan Omar and Rep. Rashida Tlaib, news of which broke before and during the most recent debate last month in Ohio, bolstered an argument that Sanders has been making for months -- that his campaign is steadily attracting a racially diverse, young and working class coalition ready to make an unapologetic case for his democratic socialist vision.

Democratic voters, too, have made it clear that Sanders remains front of mind as the primary season approaches.

About two weeks after the debate, a CNN poll of Democrats in New Hampshire showed Sanders with a narrow lead over the emerging top tier of candidates, with 21% to Sen. Elizabeth Warren's 18%. Former Vice President Joe Biden came in at 15%, and South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, placed fourth with 10%. No one else touched double digits. Recent surveys of Democrats in Iowa show the same group jockeying, mostly within the margin of statistical error, for the top position.

A durable candidate

For an elected leader famously disinclined to discuss his own inner life, and whose campaign slogan -- "Not me, us" -- is both a comment on his view of politics and a criticism of how its practice is covered by the press, Sanders wry assessment of his arterial functions felt like a revolution in its own right. "Bernie's back," as his campaign puts it, but the person at the center of it all seems just a little bit different. As if he's been freed, finally, to return the embrace of an increasingly influential leftist movement -- the largest the country has seen in nearly a century -- that has vaulted him to within a relative whisper of the White House.

More:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/14/politics/bernie-sanders-post-heart-attack-bounce/index.html
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 06:13 am
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/11/09/us/politics/09sanders-health/09sanders-health-superJumbo.jpg
Senator Bernie Sanders at a campaign rally, which was moved to accommodate a larger-than-expected audience in Minneapolis earlier this month.
Jenn Ackerman for The New York Times
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 07:12 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
Totally ignoring the fact that he gets more negative press and less coverage from mainstream news than the other top candidates.
You keep making that claim, edgar. But you do so without any reference to careful analysis of media coverage.

"We got negative press and it hurt us" was and is a claim made by the Clinton camp. And by the Kerry camp. And by the Gore camp. And by the Trump crowd. It is nearly universal.

I know you guys believe this to be so but that's the case by all those others too. And in the case of Sanders, I don't think the claim that he's been treated uniquely worse than others to be valid at all.

But maybe you have some data analysis that supports your claim.
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 07:15 am
@hightor,
Quote:
[Romney came off as] severely square

I wonder how many readers caught your choice of adjective.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 07:35 am
@blatham,
I submit that you are blind to it and I have no more to offer just now.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 07:49 am
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 07:57 am
Hoping folks will watch the hearings about to start.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 08:00 am
@blatham,
Don't count on it. But I'm sure PBS MacNeil/Lehrer (whatever they call it these days) will have a summary this evening.
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 08:04 am
CNN live coverage of the hearings today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuzK3LdJtvc
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2019 08:18 am
https://media1.tenor.com/images/e21fdc0d496d71b4e81353a95aa09948/tenor.gif
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