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@edgarblythe,

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that Warren can somehow do better what you say Sanders can't do.

That is NOT something I have ever said. It's not something I've ever thought.

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slavering for an opportunity to crow that the nation can't be swayed to a return to a (modified) New Deal.

That's a far lesser goal than revolution that sweeps away opposition. Compromise and incremental change marked that realignment. And we'd better be smart in recognizing how much different that period was not just in terms of the depression but also in terms of how organized and funded the modern right wing machine is now. Still, of course a realignment to the left is possible. But sure as hell not easy.

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@blatham,

You can't sweep away opposition, even if we were in a one-party state. You have to mobilize enough of the people to threaten the future of recalcitrant political careers. If all we are seeking is to try and get back what we had with Obama, we might as well build some rafts and head for Gilligan's Island.

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@edgarblythe,

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If all we are seeking is to try and get back what we had with Obama

I've also never said that. Though, of course, getting back to the Obama period, though an insufficient overall goal in itself, will not be easy. Courts have been stacked, agencies hollowed out and corrupted, a Republican base and a GOP that are now rabid... all of that stands in our way.

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@edgarblythe,

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try and get back what we had with Obama,

What exactly did we have? We had mediocrity everywhere from the economy to our schools. Who would want that back? No growth, job eliminating regulations, and spying on our own Senate. Right, everyone wants that back.

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@coldjoint,

It sucks, as you say, but it's at least not Donald Armageddon Trump's America.

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@coldjoint,

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What exactly did we have?

A much calmer and better daily life.

Some of the things which you've chosen to gripe about, were festering and growing for decades. (mediocrity in the public schools in the past several decades within the U.S.A. has become the new normal. ((As evidenced by the continual decline in standardized tests for reading and mathematics)).

Some of your quips are hysterically (almost) funny.

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@Sturgis,

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A much calmer and better daily life.

Full of division and every Black being stalked or murdered by the police? That is calm? 8 years of separating people into groups and turning them against each other.

And our educational system is liberal nightmare. Trump has nothing to do with it, and Obama did nothing about it.

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@coldjoint,

You may not have noticed; the wanton killing of black and other minority citizens has risen under the Orange Blob.

You want to cry about separation? Take a gander at the damage your pal has brought to families, both crossing the borders and those already here.

Trump has that creature Betsy DeVos as Education Secretary, she has done more to destroy the system than even Trump had hoped for.

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@Sturgis,

Every official he appoints is picked for their ability to destroy the particular institution they are chosen for.

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@Sturgis,

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You may not have noticed; the wanton killing of black and other minority citizens has risen under the Orange Blob.

I haven't noticed. I just see BLM goons ranting because they are not allowed to murder police officers.

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Trump has that creature Betsy DeVos as Education Secretary, she has done more to destroy the system than even Trump had hoped for.

If progressives do not want to provoke people into going into politics and smashing everything that progressives have achieved, then progressives shouldn't taunt people with childish name-calling.

Because sometimes progressives will end up taunting someone who will stand up to their bullying and fight back.

http://comicallyincorrect.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/obama-trash-600-la.jpg

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@oralloy,

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Considering your beloved Trump has always been a childish name caller...as have you in your own round the turn way, it's nearly impossible not to be amused by your post.

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@oralloy,

You have hit on precisely why the millions in the majority who have been bullied by the taunter in chief are determined to vote him his crime family and his servile lackeys out of office next year.

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@Sturgis,

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You may not have noticed; the wanton killing of black and other minority citizens has risen under the Orange Blob.

All that killing is coming from pre-Trump Democratic shitholes. And the majority is black on black crime.

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You want to cry about separation? Take a gander at the damage your pal has brought to families, both crossing the borders and those already here.

That was Obama's law, Trump merely enforced it.

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Betsy DeVos as Education Secretary,

De Vos is for charter schools and competition. The Teacher's Union is having a fit.

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@blatham,

He’s worked with plenty of conservatives and republicans.

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@Lash,

His critics act as though he were a novice, even though he has spent more years on this than anybody.

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@Sturgis,

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Considering your beloved Trump has always been a childish name caller...as have you in your own round the turn way, it's nearly impossible not to be amused by your post.

The fact that Trump is able to beat you at your own game is precisely why it was a bad idea for you guys to start a fight with him to begin with.

If Obama had not chosen to ridicule Trump for no reason, Trump would not be president right now. And whoever would have been president right now would not see it as their life's mission to undo everything that Obama has ever created.

The only time I've ever engaged in name-calling has been justified retaliation for name-calling that is directed at me. Just like with Trump, you shouldn't start fights with people who will only best you in those fights.

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@Lash,

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He’s worked with plenty of conservatives and republicans.

Have I ever said otherwise? The answer here is, no. I'm not worried about Bernie. As in the last election, he'll do the right thing for advancement of left ideas and values.

I'm worried about those who believe he can magically leap over the many serious obstacles that will stand in his way. That's not going to happen.

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@coldjoint,

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All that killing is coming from pre-Trump Democratic shitholes.

You, and a large number of your ilk, need to learn how to distinguish between causation and correlation.

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@hightor,

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between causation and correlation.

Causation is the Democrat's "Great Society" Correlation is that is where the crime is.

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@blatham,

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Someone should be asking them harder questions.
I think that is almost always true in reporter/politico interactions.

In this case, it is far easier for most news people to avoid such questions. First, to ask the right sorts of questions they are going to have to get some substantial familiarity with the subject in question. Second, policy is clearly deemed a big bore to audiences and splashy, dramatic conflicts a better means to get clicks.

Okay, that would explain things nicely if they weren’t asking tough, dollars-and-cents questions of anyone. But it doesn’t explain why they have only been demanding answers from one candidate about how her plan will work, and not the others.

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