farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2019 12:03 pm
@Baldimo,
Just for comparisons, have you actually listened to Obama's "We got him " speech. He didnt mention "
me me me" once in his talk. He passed the praise and the information around in as unspectacular fashion as possible. If you compare Trumps blather with that, you are nutz.

The guy who wrote the book faked Mark Bowdens name so itd confuse readers. He was ultimately"separated" from the service for breaking his orders for silence which could endanger the Seal Team and other field operatives.

Just like the late MS Plain
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2019 12:19 pm
@farmerman,
BTW, heres the full speech Obama made. Doesnt sound like the braggard-in-chiefs account of Baghdadi. Forget it, our own president has perjured himself ON TV. He cant unring the gong.

blatham
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2019 12:27 pm
@farmerman,
Over the last decade plus, I have commonly been criticized for suggesting to Americans that Obama was/is a uniquely fine man and political leader - a once or twice in a lifetime figure. And I'm speaking about criticism from lefties.

The behavior and demeanor displayed in your video is just one of so many instances which formed my opinion.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2019 12:54 pm
Michael Tracey

Verified account

@mtracey
24m24 minutes ago
MoreMichael Tracey Retweeted Zach Montellaro
Tulsi now just one poll away from qualifying for the next debate (and she's ahead of Kamala). Call it the Hillary Surge!
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2019 12:59 pm
Gabbard pens an op/ed for Murdoch's Wall Street Journal (because of course she does)
Quote:
“Hillary Clinton emerged recently to claim, with no basis in fact, that I am being ‘groomed’ by the Russian government to undermine America,” claims Tulsi Gabbard in a Wall Street Journal op-ed today. In fact, as even the conservative Washington Examiner acknowledges, Clinton did not say that. She said Republicans were grooming Gabbard. And far from refuting that charge, everything about Gabbard’s op-ed confirms Clinton was probably right.

It is in Gabbard’s interest to conflate the charge that she is working on behalf of the Republicans with the charge that she’s working on behalf of the Russians. The former is apparent, while the latter is impossible to prove. Gabbard has taken some strident foreign-policy stances that follow no apparent American dovish objective, and do line up with Russian goals. While Gabbard presents herself as a noninterventionist, she bizarrely attacked the Obama administration for failing to bomb Al Qaeda in Syria, while crediting Russia for allegedly doing so:
Quote:
Tulsi Gabbard
@TulsiGabbard
Bad enough US has not been bombing al-Qaeda/al-Nusra in Syria. But it’s mind-boggling that we protest Russia’s bombing of these terrorists.
10:40 PM - Sep 30, 2015

When reporters found that Russia was in fact using Al Qaeda as a pretext to attack non-Al Qaeda rebels opposed to the Assad regime, Gabbard dismissed those reports as lies:
Quote:
Tulsi Gabbard
@TulsiGabbard
Mainstream media promoting false narrative: Russia bombing American-backed rebel forces. Russia bombing al-Qaeda/al-Nusra not US allies.
10:19 PM - Sep 30, 2015

She later met with Assad, has continued to take positions that line up with the interests of Syria (and its patron, Russia) and has won the support of Russia’s propaganda apparatus. Again, none of this proves anything untoward. Some people have weird beliefs. It is possible for an American to honestly arrive at positions that happen to line up with Russia’s, and in such an instance it would be natural for Russia and its allies to reward that confluence of interest with meetings and friendly propaganda messages.

What is very clear, however, is that Gabbard is now working hand in hand with the Republican party. This is apparent in her pattern of working closely with Republican-controlled media, like “Hill TV” — John Solomon’s propaganda outlet — and Sean Hannity. Gabbard used both forums to promote Republican talking points discrediting the impeachment process — i.e., “Most people reading through that transcript are not going to find that extremely compelling cause to throw out a president that won an election in 2016” — before eventually reversing course.

Gabbard’s Journal op-ed today is the clearest sign yet of her future course. There is no line in the piece committing Gabbard to running exclusively in the Democratic primary. It doesn’t even mention the primary. It has an ambiguous passage that merits close examination. Read this a few times:
Quote:
This isn’t a petty “spat” between Mrs. Clinton and me. It’s a serious contrast in views about the choice voters face as they decide which Democratic candidate is best equipped to defeat President Trump. Mrs. Clinton already lost to Mr. Trump once. Why would Democrats think a Hillary 2.0 candidate would result in anything different?

This could be an argument for Democrats to nominate Gabbard. But it’s not exclusively an argument for that purpose. It could just as well be turned into an argument for Gabbard as a second “Democratic” candidate running against Trump, using a familiar Ralph Nader/Jill Stein case that the Democrats are going to fail, so you should vote instead for the superior alternative to the GOP.

In the following paragraph, Gabbard makes her strategy even more apparent. “Whether Mrs. Clinton’s name is on the ballot or not,” she writes, “her foreign policy will be, as many of the Democratic candidates adhere to her doctrine” of endless regime change, etc. Gabbard is saying right now that any Democratic nominee is going to be Hillary Clinton. What does that tell you about her intentions?

The Journal editorial page is not normally enthusiastic about running screeds denouncing the bloodstained neocon war machine. But it’s happy to make an exception for somebody who’s in the electing-Republicans business.

Gabbard’s op-ed is structured as an apparent refutation of the claim Clinton made about her. In fact, nothing could do more to vindicate Clinton’s suspicion that Gabbard is being groomed by the Republican party as a spoiler candidate than a Wall Street Journal op-ed previewing her case for a spoiler campaign.
NYMag

I'm not totally on board with Chait here. He's careless in suggesting Gabbard implied all Dem candidates when she said "many of the Dem candidates". Still, the overall thrust of his argument - that Gabbard is forwarding the same talking points disseminated throughout right wing media - is spot on. It's no coincidence that right wing media are featuring her regularly. And it is totally understandable that they are doing this as it achieves a desired goal of sliming the Dems and seeking to foment discontent/division. Her concentration on Hillary has the same purpose.

I don't see her going forward with a 3rd party candidacy. I could be wrong in this however. She'd get tons of funding from the right, of course, and right wing media would go into overdrive in coverage of her every word and appearance. It would be patently obvious that she was, in fact, working to the same ends as the GOP and Putin's crowd but it wouldn't be obvious to a large sector of the population who are misinformed and uninformed.

My guess would be that the right is hoping that in just continuing to do as she is doing now she will create enough chaos and distrust that it's well worth their time and resources to facilitate her. She's unlikely to have any political future on the left after this but, as I've mentioned before, she could emerge as a Fox celebrity with a multi-million dollar contract. I'd wager on that outcome.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2019 05:03 pm
Independents who want to vote in Democratic primaries must register as Democrats by these dates

.Don Quixote
@Slowbruh
Voter Registration Deadlines by States via http://Vote.org

Alabama - Feb 17th
Alaska - Feb 3rd
Arizona - Feb 17th
Arkansas - Feb 2nd
California - Feb 17th
Colorado - March 3rd
Connecticut - April 20th
Delaware - April 3rd
D.C. - June 2nd
Florida - Feb 17th
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2019 09:47 pm
Centrists denigrate progressives for the same attitude, as I wouldn't vote for Biden if he was the only candidate in the entire race.


🔴Sen. Joe Manchin says he won't vote for Bernie Sanders if he is the Democratic nominee https://fxn.ws/36ncr07 #Bernie2020 #NotMeUs
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2019 04:01 am
@edgarblythe,
Bernie said he’d target DINOs like Manchin who stand in the way of what the people want. Every time I think Bern is as perfect as he can possibly be—he says something like this.

Republicans like Manchin don’t belong in the Democrat party.

What an incredible president he’ll be.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2019 04:35 am
@edgarblythe,
Golly edgar. I'm surprised you'd deem it a point of pride to be exactly the same sort as Joe Manchin.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2019 04:39 am
@blatham,
Leave it to a Centrist to equate standing in the door to stop progress with trying to push that door open.

Lash
 
  1  
Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2019 04:58 am
Tulsi Gabbard, Amy Klobuchar and Yang hopscotched over Kamala Harris. Gabbard’s attack signaled the end for Harris.

Kamala is at 3% and firing a lot of her staff to have a Custer’s last stand in Iowa.

It’s a sign of collapse.

(Thinking of other updates)

Biden’s now taking corporate cash because he can’t get money from the people.
He has lame ass celebrities like Alyssa Milano trying to keep their elitist status quo by throwing him cash parties.

Warren’s been quiet recently, and I’m wondering if it lends credence to a damning story that’s going around about her. I’m not sure if it’s accurate, but if it is—she is done with a pretty thick swath of people.

I’ll look into it further.

—————————
Btw, in the same week, Obama trashes progressives and buys a $15 million dollar estate on Martha’s Vineyard...

blatham
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2019 05:01 am
@Lash,
Oh yeah. Not voting in the next election against Trump really is a "push the door open" thing.

Have you ever heard any of us here say they wouldn't vote if Sanders is the nominee?
blatham
 
  2  
Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2019 05:05 am
@Lash,
Your vote is the most predictable of anybody here aside from georgeob, finn, McGentrix, Oralloy and some others.
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Lash
 
  1  
Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2019 05:09 am
@blatham,
Take a look at that door. It is happening. It’s undeniable.

The stand taken by progressives in 2016 around this issue is the only thing that changed the conversation about Medicare for All, student loan relief, and decarceration. It is a different world. For one reason.
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2019 05:42 am
@Lash,
The single aspect to what you write here that makes me wonder if you are sincere is your dearth of knowledge of the history of political thought and policy initiatives in America.

Quote:
Take a look at that door. It is happening. It’s undeniable.
Tip: these cheers you write (in the voice of a dim 12 year old evangelical) would be better left unwritten.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2019 06:48 am
A serious, if fun, discussion with Jon Chait, Ed Kilgore and Benjamin Hart at NYMag Is It Curtains for Kamala Harris?
Quote:
Ben: Kamala Harris’s campaign is in serious trouble. Amid increasingly anemic polling results and a middling financial outlook, Politico reports that the candidate is cutting staff at headquarters and in several states and deploying more people to Iowa to try to get some momentum going there. It feels like a desperate move — is this all but curtains for Harris?

Ed: Not necessarily, but let’s just stipulate it’s a really bad sign.

Jon: Does this require me to take the position that the news is good for Harris? That’s how the chat format works, right?

Ben: On the left, we have ED KILGORE, and on the … also left, we have JONATHAN CHAIT …

Ed: Boxed you in right away, didn’t we?

Jon: It’s a genius rope-a-dope strategy. Cut the fat from her payroll, make her opponents underestimate her, then BOOM.

Ben: But seriously, folks, is there really any way she comes back from this? I’m trying to envision a scenario where she does...
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2019 07:47 am
Replying to
@ThiaBallerina
elizabeth warren campaigned fundraised and endorsed joe manchin
joe manchin voted for kavanaugh
do people understand this ?

Kinkajou51, the Russian bot🇺🇸
@Kinkajou5123
·
1h
A "Democratic" Senator that voted FOR Kavanaugh won't VOTE for. Bernie?
Does this surprise anyone?
revelette3
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2019 07:53 am
@edgarblythe,
Perhaps Warren endorsed Manchin before she knew how Manchin would vote on Kavanaugh?

If not, it is concerning.
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revelette3
 
  1  
Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2019 07:56 am
@blatham,
I sort of feel sorry for her and how badly her campaign went after the first debate when she came off so good. I've never been wild over her as a candidate, but I admired her as a Senator. I hope her presidential candidacy didn't hurt her senator career.
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hightor
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2019 08:05 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
do people understand this ?

Why is it even an issue? High profile Democratic politicians are regularly sent around to campaign for seats which the party believes it must hold onto. Manchin is probably the most conservative Democrat in the Senate but his Republican opponent was much more conservative. The parties generally like to keep as many of their people in office as they can. I don't see this tarnishing Warren at all and it may have helped to introduce her to West Virginia voters.
 

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