blatham
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 05:40 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
"I am, I believe, the only candidate who's going to say to the ruling class of this country, the corporate elite: Enough, enough with your greed and with your corruption," Sanders said. "We need real change in this country."
Both Sanders and Warren have to present a case which differentiates them from the other. Totally fine, of course. Here, Bernie does it the right way by making claims of why he'd be better rather than by tearing down his opponent.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 05:44 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
Warren is a false beacon. Biden is more regressive than even Clinton.
In contrast to Sanders' statement I just noted above, here you are slinging the ****. He's being classy. You're not.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 06:40 am
A couple of givens about Lash and Edgar are: 1)that have already definitively ruled out ever supporting anyone besides Bernie, and 2)that they would find only negatives in any presidency other than a Bernie presidency. I can’t imagine a scenario where either of them would be considering reports about Warren or Biden’s performance as president and saying, “Wow, Warren really did well on that”, or “Hey, Biden’s actually getting some things done”. They will obviously be unimpressed and insulting no matter what they do.

What I wonder about, though, is how honestly they would assess a Bernie presidency. With their sky-high expectations about what he can accomplish, and what he will not compromise on, how can they not be disappointed? Will they be as uncompromising and as demanding of absolute purity as they are about a theorized Bernie presidency, when Bernie is faced with the same suffocating bureaucracy as every other president? Or will they simply deny ever having those expectations, and disingenuously declare Bernie’s every action as wonderful?

If Bernie becomes president, will they continue to expect all the change and revolution they billow on about endlessly, or will they realize and admit what the rest of the world already knows about Bernie- that he’s a human politician who promised exponentially more than he can deliver?

blatham
 
  1  
Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 06:56 am
@snood,
I think we'd be safe to wager how that would go.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 10:21 am
Published July 22, 2010



The Case for Elizabeth Warren.

Sen. Sanders took part in a Capitol Hill press conference on to call for the appointment of
Prof. Elizabeth Warren to lead the new consumer financial protection bureau.


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Real Music
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 10:28 am
Published on March 18, 2016


If there’s one person Wall St. dislikes more than Bernie Sanders, it might be Elizabeth Warren. She’s been a thorn in her side since winning her senate seat. One Wall Streeter recently called her Darth Vader. Cenk Uygur, Jimmy Dore, and Maz Jobrani (Jimmy Vestvood: Amerikan Hero), hosts of the The Young Turks, break it down.

"Senior House Financial Services Committee member, Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer (R-MO) told a conference of bankers Wednesday morning that they needed to “find a way to neuter” Sen. Elizabeth Warren, according to Politico. Luetkemeyer was at an American Bankers Association conference in Washington when he made the remark, also calling Warren “the Darth Vader of the financial services world.”

According to Allied Progress, Luetkemeyer is an old friend to the banking and predatory lending industry, receiving more than $1 million in campaign donations from the industry.


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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 10:29 am
of Radical Evil
The Age of Radical EvilMr. Fish / Truthdig
Chris Hedges, an ordained Presbyterian minister, gave this sermon Sunday at the Claremont Presbyterian Church in Claremont, Calif.

Immanuel Kant coined the term “radical evil.” It was the privileging of one’s own interest over that of others, effectively reducing those around you to objects to be manipulated and used for your own ends. But Hannah Arendt, who also used the term “radical evil,” saw that it was worse than merely treating others as objects. Radical evil, she wrote, rendered vast numbers of people superfluous. They possessed no value at all. They were, once they could not be utilized by the powerful, discarded as human refuse.

We live in an age of radical evil. The architects of this evil are despoiling the earth and driving the human species toward extinction. They are stripping us of our most basic civil liberties and freedoms. They are orchestrating the growing social inequity, concentrating wealth and power in the hands of a cabal of global oligarchs. They are destroying our democratic institutions, turning elected office into a system of legalized bribery, stacking our courts with judges who invert constitutional rights so that unlimited corporate money invested in political campaigns is disguised as the right to petition the government or a form of free speech. Their seizure of power has vomited up demagogues and con artists including Donald Trump and Boris Johnson, each the distortion of a failed democracy. They are turning America’s poor communities into internal militarized colonies where police carry out lethal campaigns of terror and use the blunt instrument of mass incarceration as a tool of social control. They are waging endless wars in the Middle East and diverting half of all discretionary spending to a bloated military. They are placing the rights of the corporation above the rights of the citizen.

Arendt captured the radical evil of a corporate capitalism in which people are rendered superfluous—surplus labor as Karl Marx said—and pushed to the margins of society where they and their children are no longer considered to have value, value always determined by the amount of money produced and amassed. But as the Gospel of Luke reminds us, “what is prized by human beings is an abomination in the sight of God.”


Who are those who would sacrifice us on the altar of global capitalism? How did they amass the power to deny us a voice, to insist that the earth is an inert commodity they have a right to exploit until the ecosystem that sustains life collapses and the human species, along with most other species, becomes extinct?

These architects of radical evil have been here from the beginning. They are the slaveholders who crammed men, women and children into the holds of ships and sold them in auctions in Charleston and Montgomery, rending families apart, taking from them their names, language, religion and culture. They wielded the whips, the chains, the dogs and the slave patrols. They orchestrated the holocaust of slavery, and when slavery was abolished, after a war that left 700,000 dead, they used convict leasing—slavery by another name—along with lynching and black codes, to carry out a reign of terror that continues today in our deindustrialized cities and our prisons. Black and brown bodies are worth nothing to our corporate masters when on the streets of our decayed cities, but locked in cages they each generate 50 or 60 thousand dollars a year. Some people say the system does not work. They are wrong. The system works exactly as it is designed to work.

These architects of radical evil are the white militias and Army units that stole the land, decimated the herds of buffalo, signed the treaties that were promptly violated and carried out a campaign of genocide against indigenous people, penning the few who remained in prisoner of war camps. They are the gun thugs, Baldwin-Felts and Pinkerton agents who gunned down, by the hundreds, American workers struggling to organize, forces of the kind that today oversee the bonded labor of workers in China, Vietnam and Bangladesh. They are the oligarchs, J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller and Carnegie, who paid for these rivers of blood, and who today, like Tim Cook at Apple and Jeff Bezos at Amazon, amass staggering fortunes from human misery.

We know these architects of radical evil. They are the DNA of American capitalism. You can find them on the commodity desks at Goldman Sachs. The financial firm’s commodities index is the most heavily traded in the world. These traders buy up futures of rice, wheat, corn, sugar and livestock and jack up the commodity prices by as much as 200% on the global market so that the poor in Asia, Africa and Latin America can no longer afford basic staples, and starve. Hundreds of millions of people go hungry to feed this mania for profit, this radical evil that sees human beings, including children, as worth nothing.

These architects of radical evil extract the coal, oil and gas, poisoning our air, soil and water, while demanding huge taxpayer subsidies and blocking the urgent transition to renewable energy. They are the massive corporations that own the factory farms, egg hatcheries and dairy farms where tens of billions of animals endure horrendous abuse before being needlessly slaughtered, part of an animal agriculture industry that is one of the leading multifactorial causes of climate catastrophe. They are the generals and arms manufacturers. They are the bankers, hedge fund managers and global speculators who looted $7 trillion from the U.S. treasury after the pyramid schemes and fraud they carried out imploded the global economy in 2007-2008. They are the goons in state security who make us the most spied-upon, watched, monitored and photographed population in human history. When your government watches you 24 hours a day you cannot use the word “liberty.” This is the relationship between a master and a slave.

Corporate culture serves a faceless system. It is, as Hannah Arendt wrote, “the rule of nobody and for this very reason perhaps the least human and most cruel form of rulership.” It will stop at nothing. Anyone or any movement that attempts to impede their profits will be targeted for obliteration. These architects of radical evil are incapable of reform. Appealing to their better nature is a waste of time. They don’t have one. They have rigged the system, elections dominated by corporate money, the courts, the press a vast burlesque show for profit, which is why they spend so much time focused on Trump. There is no way to vote against the interests of Goldman Sachs or Exxon, Shell, BP and Chevron, which along with the other top 20 fossil fuel corporations have contributed 35% of all energy-related carbon dioxide and methane emissions worldwide—480 billion tons of carbon dioxide equivalent since 1965.

We know these architects of radical evil. They have been and always will be with us.

But who are those who resist? Where do they come from? What historical, social and cultural forces created them?

They too are familiar. They are Denmark Vesey, Nat Turner, John Brown, Harriet Tubman and Frederick Douglass. They are Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse and Chief Joseph. They are Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony and Emma Goldman. They are “Big Bill” Haywood, Joe Hill and Eugene V. Debs. They are Woody Guthrie, Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, Ella Baker and Fannie Lou Hamer. They are Andrea Dworkin and Caesar Chavez. They are those who from the beginning fought back, often to be defeated by this radical evil but knowing they were called to defy it, even at the cost of their own reputations, financial security, social standing and sometimes their lives.

The architects of radical evil are disemboweling every last social service program funded by the taxpayers, from education to Social Security, because lives that do not swell their profits are considered superfluous. Let the sick die. Let many of the poor—41 million people, including children—go to bed hungry. Let families be tossed into the streets. Let the young graduate have no meaningful employment. Let the U.S. prison system, with 25% of the world’s prison population, swell. Let torture continue. Let assault rifles proliferate to fuel the epidemic of mass shootings. Let the roads, bridges, dams, levees, power grids, rail lines, subways, bus services, schools and libraries crumble or close. Let the rising temperatures, the freak weather patterns, the monster cyclones and hurricanes, the droughts, the flooding, the tornadoes, the wildfires, the melting polar ice caps, the poisoned water systems and the polluted air worsen until the species dies.

Many in the church are complicit in this radical evil, failing to name it and denounce it, just as we failed to see in the thousands of men, women and children who were lynched the very crucifixion itself, as James Cone pointed out. And this complicity and silence condemns us. It is why W.E.B. Du Bois called “white religion” a “miserable failure.”

“Black people did not need to go to seminary and study theology to know that white Christianity was fraudulent,” Cone wrote in “The Cross and the Lynching Tree.” “As a teenager in the South where whites treated blacks with contempt, I and other blacks knew that the Christian identity of whites was not a true expression of what it means to follow Jesus. Nothing their theologians and preachers could say would convince us otherwise. We wondered how whites could live with their hypocrisy—such blatant contradiction of the man from Nazareth. (I am still wondering about that!) White conservative Christianity’s blatant endorsement of lynching as a part of its religion, and white liberal Christians’ silence about lynching placed both outside of Christian identity. I could not find one sermon or theological essay, not to mention a book, opposing lynching by a prominent liberal white preacher. There was no way a community could support or ignore lynching in America, while still representing in word and deed the one who was lynched by Rome.”

We have failed to denounce the Christian fascists who peddle a magic Jesus who will make us rich, a Jesus who blesses America above other countries and the white race above other races, a Jesus who turns the barbarity of war into a holy crusade, for the heretics they are. And we have failed, as well, to confront the radical evil of corporate capitalism. Let us not once again render our faith a miserable failure.

Defying evil cannot be rationally defended. It makes a leap into the moral, which is beyond rational thought. It refuses to place a monetary value on human life or the natural world. It refuses to see anyone as superfluous. It acknowledges human life, indeed all life, as sacred. And this is why, as Arendt points out, the only morally reliable people are not those who say “this is wrong” or “this should not be done,” but those who say “I can’t do this.”

Those who come out of a religious tradition, any religious tradition, have a responsibility to fight this latest iteration of radical evil, which is swiftly ensuring that our species and many other species will not have a future on this earth. It is our religious duty to place our bodies in front of the machine, as many of us did in the protests organized by Extinction Rebellion last week around the globe.

“The law, as presently revered and taught and enforced, is becoming an enticement to lawlessness,” Dan Berrigan wrote. “Lawyers and laws and courts and penal systems are nearly immobile before a shaken society, which is making civil disobedience a civil (I dare say a religious) duty. The law is aligning itself more and more with forms of power whose existence is placed more and more in question. … So, if they would obey the law, [people] are being forced, in the present crucial instance, either to disobey God or to disobey the law of humanity.”

Let us not in this present historical period replicate our sins of the past. Let us affirm our faith by affirming our defiance, our willingness to engage in the acts of sustained civil disobedience against the forces of radical evil. Let future generations say of us that we tried, that we were not complicit through our collaboration or our silence. There will be a cost. History shows us that. All moral battles have a cost, and if there is not a cost then the battle is not moral. Accept becoming an outcast. Jesus, after all, was an outcast. We are called by God to defy radical evil. This defiance is the highest form of spirituality.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 11:14 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

of Radical Evil
The Age of Radical EvilMr. Fish / Truthdig
Chris Hedges, an ordained Presbyterian minister, gave this sermon Sunday at the Claremont Presbyterian Church in Claremont, Calif.

Immanuel Kant coined the term “radical evil.” It was the privileging of one’s own interest over that of others, effectively reducing those around you to objects to be manipulated and used for your own ends. But Hannah Arendt, who also used the term “radical evil,” saw that it was worse than merely treating others as objects. Radical evil, she wrote, rendered vast numbers of people superfluous. They possessed no value at all. They were, once they could not be utilized by the powerful, discarded as human refuse.
Since both, Kant and Arendt, wrote the term "radical evil" in German (das radikale Böse), I just want to verify:
the two positions use "radically" (radikal, from Latin 'radix', root) in different ways: Kant is concerned with determining the "root" of evil, while Arendt means an extreme, a maximum form of evil without any limitation.
hightor
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 11:51 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
Let us not in this present historical period replicate our sins of the past. Let us affirm our faith by affirming our defiance, our willingness to engage in the acts of sustained civil disobedience against the forces of radical evil. Let future generations say of us that we tried, that we were not complicit through our collaboration or our silence. There will be a cost. History shows us that. All moral battles have a cost, and if there is not a cost then the battle is not moral. Accept becoming an outcast. Jesus, after all, was an outcast. We are called by God to defy radical evil. This defiance is the highest form of spirituality.


I understand that this is a sermon. But it's too bad Hedges can't come up with an argument which doesn't rely on morality, evil, Jesus, and spirituality. We're definitely not all Presbyterians, we're certainly not all Christians, and many of us aren't even religious. Arguments which don't rely on membership in a sect are so much more cogent, useful, and universal.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 01:45 pm
@hightor,
Plus it's pretty damned melodramatic.
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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 01:51 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Thank you.
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Lash
 
  1  
Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 05:44 pm
@snood,
If I’ve already criticized the Bern a couple of times, why on earth would you think I’d stop when he was elected??

Not logical.
snood
 
  1  
Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 06:06 pm
@Lash,
Refresh my memory. What have you found fault about, with Bernie?
coldjoint
 
  0  
Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 06:15 pm
@snood,
Did you know you can go to Lash's profile page and read every post she ever posted? That should keep you busy.
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 06:39 pm
@snood,
I didn’t like that he embraced neoliberal Hillary. If we are so opposed to neoliberalism, how could he work his ass off to campaign for her tirelessly in the run up to the election.

I’d’ve rather him campaigned for the Green Party or led a write-in campaign.

I also didn’t like him parroting the establishment by saying that we needed to press ‘humanitarian aid’ to Venezuela because I expected him to know that phrase was a euphemism for the US crawling up between the cracks to coup Venezuela.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 07:13 pm
Bernie has faults. Don't we all? If we hold out for total perfection we will never believe in anybody.
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 07:35 pm
Quote:
I didn’t like that he embraced neoliberal Hillary.
Who'da guessed that would be your criticism.

Chapter two: you'll despise his statements of respect for and solidarity with Warren if she wins.
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snood
 
  2  
Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 07:39 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Did you know you can go to Lash's profile page and read every post she ever posted? That should keep you busy.


I heard that nobody’s ever successfully pissed up a rope. Why don’t you try that? It’d keep you busy.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 07:42 pm
@snood,
"Progressivism and enlightened debate" are kind of like "oil and water".
snood
 
  2  
Reply Mon 14 Oct, 2019 07:49 pm
@oralloy,
Enlightenment, you say?
Well, that’s what you’re here to provide, isn’t it?
 

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