MontereyJack
 
  2  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 08:02 am
@coldjoint,
How nice of you to decide evidence-free for someone else what is a major problem.
0 Replies
 
snood
 
  1  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 08:15 am
Rumors of Warren courting Andrew Gillum for running mate
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 08:28 am
@snood,
If true or not, smart. He's good and Florida is important.
0 Replies
 
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 09:00 am
I have not previously posted any commentary from Warren nor videos of her speaking but I'm going to do it here because this is really quite fabulous. BuzzFeed
0 Replies
 
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 10:39 am
@snood,
Quote:
Rumors of Warren courting Andrew Gillum for running mate

Great, nothing like putting a corrupt socialist on the ticket. That will make two of them.
0 Replies
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 10:43 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Race is in everything in America, because we have not, as a nation, moved beyond our racist past. The problem is that there are people like AOC who don't want us to because it would deprive them of a political cudgel.

Let's flesh out your apparent argument a bit more completely.

1) Racism, as we've typically witnessed it in American culture - the prejudice against blacks, latinos, asians and other non-white groups - is no longer an actual feature of American culture

2) Blacks, for example, are treated exactly the same as whites by police forces, by banks, by landlords and by immigration etc nationally.

3) The only significant evidences of racism now are related to those who complain in any way that non-whites are still treated differently. That's the racism problem.


As usual, quite droll but entirely, and dishonestly, off the mark.

Compared to our truly racist past, America is now a shining beacon on earth. Does racism still exist in America? Absolutely, but tell me where in the world it does not?

There is a difference between steadily working towards an almost impossible goal of a society where all differences have no bearing and screaming "Racisim" because it will get you votes.

Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 10:52 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I think most of the reactions to lash's posts, here on the political threads, is a visceral personal attacking of a poster rather than actual consideration of what she posts. Most of her information is accurate.


Agreed (for once!)

Not that it's all that significant but compare the left-wing infighting to the very minimal disagreement among conservatives here. Every now and then one of us will feel the need to slap down an outrageous comment but as far as I can tell there is no naked animosity among the "right-wing" posters here.

Some of you will contend that this is a favorable distinction, that you are aren't all monolithic, but take a look at what you vehemently criticize among your own. Fundamental differences of thought? Nope. Personal preferences? Yep.

It's like a High School clique.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 11:16 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
It's like a High School clique.

It is more like recess at an elementary school. It is group think. It is not inclusive and it is a soul destroying activity.
0 Replies
 
Olivier5
 
  2  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 11:50 am
@Olivier5,
This needs reposting.

Quote:
Bernie Sanders has a smart critique of corporate media bias
By Katrina vanden Heuvel, August 20, 2019

Last week, after criticizing Amazon for underpaying its workers and paying nothing in federal income taxes last year, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) noted: “I talk about that all of the time. And then I wonder why The Washington Post — which is owned by Jeff Bezos who owns Amazon — doesn’t write particularly good articles about me.” The response was immediate. Martin Baron, The Post’s executive editor, dismissed Sanders’s characterization as a “conspiracy theory.” CNN’s commentators accused Sanders of using President Trump’s playbook; NPR similarly suggested he was echoing Trump. Nate Silver, the editor of FiveThirtyEight, descended to psychological babble, assailing Sanders for having a “sense of entitlement,” feeling that “he’s entitled to the nomination this time, and if he doesn’t win, it’s only because ‘the media’/'the establishment’ took it away from him."

Let’s be clear: The Post and the New York Times aren’t the same as Fox News, which has turned into a shameless propaganda outfit. But Sanders wasn’t repeating Trump; he was making a smart structural critique of our commercial mainstream media.

It’s not as if Sanders lacks for evidence that he has particularly suffered at the hands of the mainstream media. The New York Times featured an article on his trip to the Soviet Union decades ago as somehow formative of his views, and got caught quoting a Democratic strategist critical of Sanders without disclosing the strategist’s close ties to Hillary Clinton’s super PAC. Sometimes outlets simply pretend Sanders doesn’t exist, as when Politico headlined a national poll showing Sanders in a strong second place this way: “Harris, Warren tie for third place in new 2020 Dem poll, but Biden still leads.” After one fiercely contested debate between Sanders and Hillary Clinton in early March 2016, The Post published 16 news articles and opinion pieces, many of them critical, about Sanders in 16 hours; a few weeks later, the Times’s own public editor criticized the post-publication “stealth editing” of a piece originally favorable to Sanders.

But, contrary to his critics’ claims, Sanders disavowed any notion that Bezos controls coverage at The Post. “I think my criticism of the corporate media is not … that they wake up, you know, in the morning and say, ‘What could we do to hurt Bernie Sanders?’ ” he told CNN. Instead he offered a criticism that is neither new nor radical: “There is a framework of what we can discuss and what we cannot discuss, and that’s a serious problem.”

In an interview with John Nichols of the Nation (where I serve as publisher and editorial director), Sanders went out of his way to distinguish this critique of the media from Trump’s assault on the free press: “We’ve got to be careful. We have an authoritarian type president right now, who does not believe in our Constitution, who is trying to intimidate the media … That’s not what we do. But I think what we have to be concerned about ... is that you have a small number of very, very large corporate interests who control a lot of what the people in this country see, hear, and read. And they have their agenda.”

In an email to supporters, Sanders wrote: “Even more important than much of the corporate media’s dislike of our campaign is the fact that much of the coverage in this country portrays politics as entertainment, and largely ignores the major crises facing our communities. ... As a general rule of thumb, the more important the issue is to large numbers of working people, the less interesting it is to the corporate media.” The corporate media inevitably turns politics into a horse race and policy into “gotcha” questions or personality disputes. Trump’s ability to dominate the free media in 2016 is testament to this tendency.

The structural bias of the corporate media is particularly clear in these tempestuous times. The elite consensus — the post-Cold War bipartisan embrace of corporate globalization, market fundamentalism and the United States’ global reach — has been shattered in the sands of Iraq and the suites of Wall Street. With the economy — even at its best — not working for most Americans, the old order cannot be sustained. When insurgent candidates such as Sanders shock Beltway pundits, conventional wisdom is exposed as folly. Sanders is particularly frowned on by the Democratic Party establishment and by big business, which disagree with his views, especially on inequality. Not surprisingly, a mainstream media that swims in that same pond takes on the same color. It doesn’t take a call from the outlets’ owners. [...]

More:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/08/20/bernie-sanders-has-smart-critique-corporate-media-bias/

0 Replies
 
MontereyJack
 
  5  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 11:53 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
You simply go along like good little sheep with great groupthink with the mountain of grotesque lies and abrupt total aboutfaces of POTUS. Which is considerably worse than the honest disagreement amongst those of us toward the left to one degree or another.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 12:09 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
it is not the crisis you fear mongers and the MSM make of it.

Leftist virtue signalling on race is pretty funny actually. Very Happy
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 12:10 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Racism

Virtue signalling.
0 Replies
 
MontereyJack
 
  5  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 12:13 pm
@oralloy,
No such thing exists. The right's plyannaish attempts to ignore the reality is apparent.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 12:15 pm
@MontereyJack,
Virtue Signaling is indeed a thing and the left is guilty of it's practice.
MontereyJack
 
  5  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 12:17 pm
@Baldimo,
that's the nonsense part. You rightusts do it every time you wrap yourself in the flag. Have done it for years.
0 Replies
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 12:26 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
Virtue Signaling is indeed a thing and the left is guilty of it's practice.


https://i.imgur.com/RwBxLk4.jpg

I couldn't resist ...
0 Replies
 
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 12:36 pm
MontereyJack wrote:
No such thing exists. The right's polyannaish attempts to ignore the reality is apparent.

Oxford English Dictionary
http://www.lexico.com/en/definition/virtue_signaling

Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary & Thesaurus
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/virtue-signalling

Collins English Dictionary
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/virtue-signalling

Random House Unabridged Dictionary
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/virtue-signaling

The Spectator (UK)
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/04/hating-the-daily-mail-is-a-substitute-for-doing-good/
0 Replies
 
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 01:05 pm

Home
See new Tweets
What’s happening?


Your Home Timeline
Equisapien Replicant Retweeted
#Bernie2020 is not for sale
@timeforbernie
·
20h
So Warren has presumptuously reached out to Andrew Gillum as a possible VP. In his FL race he was polling well ahead of the GOP when running on M4A. Then he pivoted right to lose the general.

That's what happens when you have no core principles.
0 Replies
 
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 01:31 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
There is a difference between steadily working towards an almost impossible goal of a society where all differences have no bearing and screaming "Racisim" because it will get you votes.

But your implication here of motivation precludes the admission or recognition of significant levels of cultural and institutional racism to the degree that people's lives are disadvantaged or, in many cases, ended by a policeman's bullets.

To say, "We're better than we were but we're not yet nearly good enough" is not motivated by a desire for votes or campaign donations etc. As you know, voices on the right have stated that the fact of a black president is in itself evidence that race is no longer a problem in America. That is clearly not so. The claim is not dissimilar from what you seem to be arguing.

As to racism in Canada, you betcha. I've written much on this before.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 01:39 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
significant levels of cultural and institutional racism to the degree that people's lives are disadvantaged

More virtue signaling. Laughing


blatham wrote:
or, in many cases, ended by a policeman's bullets.

Here's a thought: If you don't try to murder police officers, then police officers will not have to defend themselves from you.

Is that too complexicated (sic) for you?
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

Obama '08? - Discussion by sozobe
Let's get rid of the Electoral College - Discussion by Robert Gentel
McCain's VP: - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
Food Stamp Turkeys - Discussion by H2O MAN
The 2008 Democrat Convention - Discussion by Lash
McCain is blowing his election chances. - Discussion by McGentrix
Snowdon is a dummy - Discussion by cicerone imposter
TEA PARTY TO AMERICA: NOW WHAT?! - Discussion by farmerman
 
Copyright © 2024 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.1 seconds on 04/23/2024 at 10:37:46