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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

wasteful military spending

That's another good reason to vote for conservatives. Progressives try to undermine our military so that the bad guys can destroy us.

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@hightor,

But, that’s my least favorite kind.

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@Lash,

But just try to close a military base...

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@hightor,

Bernie’s infrastructure and Green New Deal priorities will require a disciplined, trained workforce. I can envision an easy transition from destructive to constructive.

The constant war footing will end with President Bernie.

Our survival demands the transition.

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@Lash,

We are not going to dismantle our defenses and let the bad guys conquer us.

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@edgarblythe,

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But I am going to post about Bernie anyway.

That's fine.

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@edgarblythe,

Pure capitalism. Survival of the fittest.

The ultra wealthy know humanity and animals will be locked in a battle for clean water and food, arable land, livable land.

They want us to die off ASAP. More for them.

They’re culling the weakest from the herd.

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@Lash,

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I can envision an easy transition from destructive to constructive.

Me too. After the derailment of a circus caravan in the mountains of Washington state on a stormy autumn evening, an escaped koala bear joins with a dove and a unicorn on a journey across the country, gathering up forest and desert creatures who join in their quest. That quest? The elimination of the military/industrial complex. They succeed after a battle that stretches over a period of many minutes.

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@Lash,

"...will require a disciplined, trained workforce"

If we don't have that now, what makes you think Bernie can make it so? That all the Workers of America will rejoice in their new socialist state and come together to prove Bernie is their savior?

Or will reeducation programs be necessary? You know, just to help everyone understand what is in their best interests.

What will President Bernie do if Israel, South Korea or Japan are attacked?

What will he be able to do if he convinces Congress to gut the military to pay for his programs? (Something I very much doubt will happen BTW)

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

Pure capitalism. Survival of the fittest.

The ultra wealthy know humanity and animals will be locked in a battle for clean water and food, arable land, livable land.

They want us to die off ASAP. More for them.

They’re culling the weakest from the herd.

This such an outlandish and fevered commentary.

If it's accurate though what chance do you think a President Sanders or Warren has to survive their first terms?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

When you have a fighting force that can destroy the world 70 times over, maybe you can reduce it to a fighting force that can destroy the world—oh, I don’t know—maybe 5 times over.

We’re a greedy corporation with an insanely hyperbolic military dominance. We can streamline it. Israel benefits from our excessive military and financial services.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Is capitalism not fairly defined as survival of the fittest?

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@edgarblythe,

Thank you for posting the Thom Hartmann video "The Biggest Danger of the Trump Administration Revealed"

The video is clearly relevant and is definitely on point.

I plan on reposting the video on another thread.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

Yes. I think the combination of cold war propaganda plus anti-g//vernment/"libertarian" ideas have left a lot of Americans (particularly older americans) poorly equipped to think these things through. And I suppose we ought to include a tendency in American culture to presume that knowledge of the world outside American borders isn't important (perhaps even dangerous - foreign ideas being akin to pollution by immigrants).

A rather superficial observation that stands in the way of obvious facts...

Very few countries in the world have a history of immigration as ample as that of the United States. Our culture is a complex overlay of English, Scottish, African,German, Irish, Italian Polish, Scandinavian, Jewish, Hispanic, Greek, Armenian, Middle Eastern and other cultures. From its founding this country had a strong sense of its uniqueness in the world, defined not so much by ever changing cultural norms, as by a sense of uniqueness based on limited government, individual freedom and economic & social mobility. The successive and still ongoing assimilation of these peoples was based on competition (not always fair) and economic freedom (not always equal) is, despite its evident flaws remains, in terms of the success achieved, unequalled in the world.

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Having that much military makes chickenhawks eager to use it. They want to feel tough to offset their cowardly evading service. Meanwhile, the military is a voracious corporation that bellows Feed me, consuming everything in its reach. The destruction to the planet caused just by the US is devastating the planet, and there are plenty of other military institutions doing their part.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

Is capitalism not fairly defined as survival of the fittest?

Capitalism in it's most naked form perhaps, but that isn't what we have in this country.

You can't have it both ways: You can't argue that the US is far more "socialistic" than stupid Americans realize and then argue that Robber Barons benefiting from unfettered capitalism rule the land and are trying to cull the population of the weak.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

As long as people are dying because they can’t afford medical care, I will say some aspects of our brand of capitalism are unrestrained. We also have schools that are supposed to be free and equal, but they do cost and they are assuredly not equal.

We have a vestige of Medicaid which is comparatively socialist, but it is constantly under attack—even now, by the remaining Koch—and is already reduced to afford elderly people a horrifically impoverished existence.

This is not good enough.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

When you have a fighting force that can destroy the world 70 times over, maybe you can reduce it to a fighting force that can destroy the world—oh, I don’t know—maybe 5 times over.

We’re a greedy corporation with an insanely hyperbolic military dominance. We can streamline it. Israel benefits from our excessive military and financial services.

Unfortunately, history has proven time and time again that truly crazy or evil people are huge risk-takers and are willing to sacrifice their people for power.

We certainly can and should make our military much more efficient in terms of spending, but until someone tackles that problem, reducing the defense budget will reduce our ability to deter aggression around the world.

I'm not happy with the ongoing war in Afganistan nor neo-con policies, but any notion that we can somehow become the largest turtle in the world and remain safe is nieve.

I might not even mind that sort of isolationism if it was coupled by a warning to the rest of the world that if you mess with us or our good friends we will bury you, but Sanders and Warren would never take that approach. Warren has announced that she would rule out a nuclear first strike under any conditions. She's pandering to pacifists of course or she is willing to surrender our nation without a fight, and I don't believe the latter.

"Imagine" must be your personal anthem.

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@blatham,

Don’t give in to this **** so easily, without any real effort.

Fight and lose, rather than aid the guilty with lazy acquiescence. I think more of a Koch, standing up and saying what he is, than those who ‘would’ do the right thing, ‘but, we just can’t win.’

We can’t win if you don’t do your part.

We will win if those who know the status quo is wrong will stand up.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

As long as people are dying because they can’t afford medical care, I will say some aspects of our brand of capitalism are unrestrained. We also have schools that are supposed to be free and equal, but they do cost and they are assuredly not equal.

We have a vestige of Medicaid which is comparatively socialist, but it is constantly under attack—even now, by the remaining Koch—and is already reduced to afford elderly people a horrifically impoverished existence.

This is not good enough.

No system is perfect, not what we have nor what you wish to impose. There will always be tradeoffs. If you prefer a society where the overwhelming majority of people have much less so that all can have "enough," fine, but unless you somehow are able to repress the instincts of the students you teach, they might not be. What will you do if and when the people find that what you have promised is not enough, that Bernie wasn't able to deliver them into the land of milk & honey?

Elderly people are entitled to medicare. I am a medicare beneficiary and I have realized virtually no reduction in the level of my healthcare.

You are fear-mongering.

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